MU ****The OFFICIAL 2013 Mizzou Tigers Basketball Thread**** - Page 254

**Saul Good** · 01-09-2013, 08:42 PM

MIZ-SEC

duncan_idaho · 03-22-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Didn't Eustachy wreck your lives while he was with Iowa State too?

I think you have that backwards.

Eustachy wrecked his life while in Columbia.

FishingRod · 03-22-2013, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

More high-low would have been a nice answer t this team's skill set. Utilizing Bowers in the high post and getting Oriakhi the ball on the block...

I think they ran that twice last night... once resulted in an Oriakhi dunk.

Being required to root for MU (when not playing KU) as I am married to a fan.. I was yelling this at the TV most of the game. I want to like Haith but he just can't seem to make game time adjustments. The game was really hard to watch

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-22-2013, 10:52 AM

Here's the real issue with Haith:

A basketball coach can be successful in two ways: The first is by mastering X's and O's. The other is by motivating players.

Phil Jackson used an archaic system that failed whenever other coaches tried to implement it (Jim Cleamons, for example). He succeeded because he had tremendously talented players, but he was also able to motivate incredibly difficult teammates: Jordan, Rodman, and to a lesser extent, Kobe, Shaq, and Lamar Odom.

Rick Carlisle is a great X's and O's coach who has had extensive success because of that.

Frank Haith is neither one of those. Truthfully, almost no college coaches are, but he's even less of one. Calipari just tries to out-athlete other teams. Same thing with Roy Williams. That's why they can't win without elite elite talent.

Many college HCs, who are incredibly deficient in scheme mastery are at least able to motivate players. That's why last year's team was so good--they motivated themselves via their hatred of Mike Anderson.

This year's team lacked that cohesive motivation and Haith couldn't give it to them.

And if you can't motivate players or scheme, you shouldn't be a head coach.

DJ's left nut · 03-22-2013, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Missouri is going to lose by 12 to Colorado State.

Damn I'm good.

Molitoth · 03-22-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Here's the real issue with Haith:

A basketball coach can be successful in two ways: The first is by mastering X's and O's. The other is by motivating players.

Phil Jackson used an archaic system that failed whenever other coaches tried to implement it (Jim Cleamons, for example). He succeeded because he had tremendously talented players, but he was also able to motivate incredibly difficult teammates: Jordan, Rodman, and to a lesser extent, Kobe, Shaq, and Lamar Odom.

Rick Carlisle is a great X's and O's coach who has had extensive success because of that.

Frank Haith is neither one of those. Truthfully, almost no college coaches are, but he's even less of one. Calipari just tries to out-athlete other teams. Same thing with Roy Williams. That's why they can't win without elite elite talent.

Many college HCs, who are incredibly deficient in scheme mastery are at least able to motivate players. That's why last year's team was so good--they motivated themselves via their hatred of Mike Anderson.

This year's team lacked that cohesive motivation and Haith couldn't give it to them.

And if you can't motivate players or scheme, you shouldn't be a head coach.

DJ's left nut · 03-22-2013, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Is the general fanbase still behind Haith as being a good coach, or does most of the fanbase hole Haith in the same light as CP/MU fans hold him in...? I guess, is Haith feeling the heat from the fanbase yet? From everything that is said here, you would think he is getting run out of Columbia...

Eh. Pressey took most of Haith's bullets this year, but by the end of the year pressure was buliding on Haith for not getting the ball out of Pressey's hands.

If they miss the tournament next year and still lose games like the games they lost this season, you may hear the rumors start.

I suspect he'll get fired right before the final year of his deal. This season is going to snowball on him unless Post/JWIII are able to come in and make a difference inside right away.

He's burned literally every drop of goodwill he built up last season and is essentially starting at 0 now. I don't think he has the chops to survive.

**gblowfish** · 03-22-2013, 12:21 PM

Benching Bell in his last game as a senior was bullshit. Without Bell, they don't even make the tournament. If I was Bell I'd be uber-pissed.

Pepe Silvia · 03-22-2013, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Pressey is gone, man. Was told before yesterday's game that he was playing professional basketball next year. From a guy who's extremely close to the program... and whose source talks to Pressey daily.

Clarkson has drawn rave reviews, as you mention. This team can be a NCAA team/bubble team next year if:

1) Clarkson is as good as advertised (talk is of him having a 10-year NBA career)
2) They get halfway decent interior play from 2 of Jonathan Williams III, Torren Jones, Keanu Post, Jankovic, Rosberg
3) Defensive effort is better (last year's team had severe things stacked against it defensively... this year's team just wasn't consistently trying).

What makes you think these good recruits won't decommit like every other decent recruit that Mizzou almost lands?

OmahaChief · 03-22-2013, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerinMo

What makes you think these good recruits won't decommit like every other decent recruit that Mizzou almost lands?

They already signed their letters of intent.

Pitt Gorilla · 03-22-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OmahaChief

They already signed their letters of intent.

Normally I'd agree, but Doug McDermott signed a letter of intent with Northern Iowa.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-22-2013, 05:12 PM

This year's class isn't going anywhere. Be far more concerned about the 2014 class.

duncan_idaho · 03-22-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Normally I'd agree, but Doug McDermott signed a letter of intent with Northern Iowa.

And then the coach left, and they released him from his letter of intent.

LOI releases are granted when the coach changes or if there's a significant event in the individual's life (like a family member getting sick).

Post actually hasn't signed a LOT yet (he will in April - missed the early LOI date for JUCOs, I guess.

Underachieving rarely affects basketball recruiting. Thus how Scott Drew continually signs amazing recruiting classes despite never doing as much with them as he should.

I'd be more worried about Tim Fuller accepting a head coaching job somewhere than anything else. He's a workhorse/dynamo .

Missouri has a good chance with a lot of big names in 2014. Landing a few of them will tell us a lot about Haith's future here.

Oh, one other thing... Missouri is recruiting 2013 PG Kendall Yancy-Harris pretty heavily still and is in the mix. Tells me the coaches are also pretty sure what I heard yesterday about Pressey being gone is true.

crispystl · 03-23-2013, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Wow no shit? i took my nutrition final exam with that man....nice dude...i also got to see how/why all the athletes have above 3.0 GPA's when half of them can't even read.

Yeah we was a pretty cool dude. That's sad to hear.

crispystl · 03-23-2013, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Nope.

I'm a KU fan with plenty of MU friends. I feel bad for you guys. Even worse for the sorry ****s that complete the trifecta of suck that is Chiefs/Royals/Mizzou.

Like me? LOL oh and I work at Davidson, and no I wasn't around for the Steph Curry run.

**** me

Stanley Nickels · 03-23-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Wow no shit? i took my nutrition final exam with that man....nice dude...i also got to see how/why all the athletes have above 3.0 GPA's when half of them can't even read.

I had a couple of classes with Brad Smith, who was one of the most engaged and intelligent people in there.

Then again, I had nutrition with Travon Bryant and a number of other athletes, and I can't believe they graduated HS, let alone college.

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03-22-2013, 10:52 AM	#3798
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8019572	Here's the real issue with Haith: A basketball coach can be successful in two ways: The first is by mastering X's and O's. The other is by motivating players. Phil Jackson used an archaic system that failed whenever other coaches tried to implement it (Jim Cleamons, for example). He succeeded because he had tremendously talented players, but he was also able to motivate incredibly difficult teammates: Jordan, Rodman, and to a lesser extent, Kobe, Shaq, and Lamar Odom. Rick Carlisle is a great X's and O's coach who has had extensive success because of that. Frank Haith is neither one of those. Truthfully, almost no college coaches are, but he's even less of one. Calipari just tries to out-athlete other teams. Same thing with Roy Williams. That's why they can't win without elite elite talent. Many college HCs, who are incredibly deficient in scheme mastery are at least able to motivate players. That's why last year's team was so good--they motivated themselves via their hatred of Mike Anderson. This year's team lacked that cohesive motivation and Haith couldn't give it to them. And if you can't motivate players or scheme, you shouldn't be a head coach. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8019572	This year's class isn't going anywhere. Be far more concerned about the 2014 class. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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