Nasa finds evidence of 'life on Mars': Curiosity rover picks up methane 'burps'

[Donger]

Pretty hopeful, IMO, but interesting nonetheless...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...s-9929510.html

Evidence of life on Mars could have been found by Nasa's Curiosity Rover.

Mysterious spikes of methane that cannot easily be explained by geology or other theories have been found by one of the instruments on the robot, which landed on the planet in 2012. Scientists can’t be sure what is causing the spikes, but it is possible that it could be very small, bacteria-like living organisms.

If the gas is coming from living, breathing microbes then it would mark one of the biggest discoveries in history. On Earth, 95% of methane comes from microbial organisms.

Scientists have said that the rover now has to test and re-test the possibility of life, ahead of a manned mission in 2020 that would look for the source of the methane.

Previous satellite observations have detected unusual plumes of methane on the planet, but none as extraordinary as the sudden "venting" measured at Gale Crater, where evidence suggests water once flowed billions of years ago.

The laboratory onboard the rover has been sniffing methane in the atmosphere a dozen times in the last 12 months. In late 2013 and early 2014, the amount of methane flared up, and then receded.

Other possible explanations include the Sun's rays degrading organic material that was left behind by meteors, Nasa scientists said at the press conference announcing the news. But that explanation still relies on the original material being deposited, they said.

Curiosity, one of Nasa's two Mars Exploration Rovers, landed in the 96 mile-wide crater in August 2012 and has been exploring the region since.

Last year Nasa reported that Gale contained the remains of an ancient freshwater lake where there may have been a hospitable environment for life in the distant past.

The new discovery, reported in the journal Science, followed studies of gas samples by Curiosity's Tunable Laser Spectrometer (TAS), an instrument that uses intense light to carry out chemical analysis.

It revealed a low background level of methane which spiked 10-fold over a period of just 60 Martian days.

In four sequential measurements, Curiosity showed the methane level soaring from about 0.69 parts per billion by volume (ppbv) to 7.2 ppbv.

The spikes occurred within 200 to 300 metres of each other and less than a kilometre from where the lower readings were detected.

By the time Curiosity had travelled a further kilometre, the higher methane levels had disappeared.

In their paper, the US scientists led by Dr Chris Webster, from Nasa's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, wrote: "The persistence of the high methane values over 60 sols (Martian days) and their sudden drop 47 sols later is not consistent with a well-mixed event, but rather with a local production or venting that, once terminated, disperses quickly."

The wind direction indicated a source to the north of the rover.

Life is the chief producer of methane on Earth, but there are many non-biological processes that can also generate the gas.

The low background level of methane detected by Curiosity can be explained by the Sun's rays degrading organic material possibly deposited by meteors, said the Nasa scientists.

But the spikes of methane required an additional source, which was unlikely to be a recent impact by comet or asteroid. Such an object would have had to measure several metres across and would have left a large crater, no sign of which was visible.

The short time-scale of the methane spikes did not suggest that the gas was released from volcanic deposits trapped in ice, called clathrates. Nor did it appear to come from the release of gaseous methane that had become bound to the soil.

An image taken by Curiosity Mars as seen by the Curiosity rover (NASA)
The Nasa authors are cautious about jumping to conclusions, but conclude that "methanogenesis" - the formation of methane by microbial bugs known as methanogens - may be one answer to the riddle.

They wrote: "Our measurements spanning a full Mars year indicate that trace quantities of methane are being generated on Mars by more than one mechanism or a combination of proposed mechanisms - including methanogenesis either today or released from past reservoirs, or both."

Gale Crater, on the Martian equator, was created when a large meteor struck the planet 3.5 billion to 3.8 billion years ago.

At its centre is a high mountain, named Mount Sharp, that rises 18,000ft above the crater floor. Flowing water appears to have carved channels in the sides of the mountain and the crater walls.

Another major discovery by Curiosity was that of water bound in the fine-grained soil within the crater. Each cubic foot of Martian soil was found to contain around two pints of water, not freely accessible but attached to minerals.

The rover has reached the base of Mount Sharp and over the coming months will begin a slow climb. Scientists are especially keen to explore the mountain because its sedimentary layers provide tantalising snapshots of Martian history.

The question of whether there is, or was, life on Mars may finally be answered by the European Space Agency's ExoMars mission, which will land a 300kg rover on the Red Planet in 2019.

ExoMars will be equipped with a two-metre drill and the ability to detect biomarkers of life. It will not be heading for Gale Crater, however. Because it will land with less precision than Curiosity, the crater and its mountain are considered too potentially hazardous.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by ottawa_chiefs_fan

/religion

I'm personally not a religious person, but I don't see how this would really change anything dramatically. If the pope can suddenly decide that pets go to heaven, I don't see why aliens couldn't be included in there as well.

[ThaVirus]

Are SONAR and echo-location the same thing?

I've always thought SONAR was underwater while echo-location was above water. But they seem like they're basically the same thing.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think it's a "Childhood's End" type of scenario.

Get the public familiar with UFO's, orbit, moon landing, deep space travel, the idea of extraterrestrial life, and a blurb about Mars.

When it's later revealed that there's extraterrestrial life on Mars and possibly intelligent life on Europa, the 1st world will have had nearly 80 years to become comfortable with the information that life exists, maybe abundantly, elsewhere in the galaxy.

It's possible but pretty far fetched. Europa has already been a story for decades, of course. And there are people who believe that slowly pulling back the veil's been the plan since the 50s. I've even heard speculation that the original Day the Earth Stood Still was was basically a CIA op, to kickstart the whole process of prepping everyone for 'disclosure'.

And hey, it's even (extremely...) remotely possible that we've been in contact for decades. I actually don't believe it's impossible to keep a secret that long, especially if, as I suspect would be the case, that secret is being held not by the US or any other governments, but by private citizens.

I'm not saying I believe that's the case, but it's a possibility. Albeit a sort of crazy one.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'm personally not a religious person, but I don't see how this would really change anything dramatically. If the pope can suddenly decide that pets go to heaven, I don't see why aliens couldn't be included in there as well.

It could potentially raise some odd questions, like whether or not Jesus saved everyone in the universe, or just on earth. Or perhaps whether or not other planets had their own saviors. Or what if we encounter a culture that reveals to us that they were in fact 'God' and christianity was some social engineering plan or experiment.

And that's just christianity...

Not to mention biblical literalists who believe the earth is 6000 years old and dinosaurs didn't exist because they're not in the bible. Neither are aliens. Unless you get into apocrypha like the book of enoch.

Then again, I think religion is perhaps already slowly dying in the western world anyway, so maybe it wouldn't have the impact that the brookings institute predicted a half century ago.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Mugalug

Humans have way more than 5 senses, just sayin.

Sight
Hearing
Touch
Taste
Smell
Humor
Impending Doom
Duty
Style

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

It could potentially raise some odd questions, like whether or not Jesus saved everyone in the universe, or just on earth. Or perhaps whether or not other planets had their own saviors. Or what if we encounter a culture that reveals to us that they were in fact 'God' and christianity was some social engineering plan or experiment.

And that's just christianity...

Not to mention biblical literalists who believe the earth is 6000 years old and dinosaurs didn't exist because they're not in the bible. Neither are aliens. Unless you get into apocrypha like the book of enoch.

Then again, I think religion is perhaps already slowly dying in the western world anyway, so maybe it wouldn't have the impact that the brookings institute predicted a half century ago.

I definitely agree that some groups will have to go to a whole new level of "ostrich head in the sand," but I just don't think it will be a massive "OMG, all religious are dead" kind of thing. It will accelerate the process toward non-religion, but it won't be overnight.

[ThaVirus]

Little cognitive dissonance for that ass.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I definitely agree that some groups will have to go to a whole new level of "ostrich head in the sand," but I just don't think it will be a massive "OMG, all religious are dead" kind of thing. It will accelerate the process toward non-religion, but it won't be overnight.

I suspect it'll just mean that aliens will get annoyed by earthling missionaries handing out pamphlets in their cloud cities. I don't think religion can be killed.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

It could potentially raise some odd questions, like whether or not Jesus saved everyone in the universe, or just on earth. Or perhaps whether or not other planets had their own saviors. Or what if we encounter a culture that reveals to us that they were in fact 'God' and christianity was some social engineering plan or experiment.

And that's just christianity...

Not to mention biblical literalists who believe the earth is 6000 years old and dinosaurs didn't exist because they're not in the bible. Neither are aliens. Unless you get into apocrypha like the book of enoch.

Then again, I think religion is perhaps already slowly dying in the western world anyway, so maybe it wouldn't have the impact that the brookings institute predicted a half century ago.

For the record, when I stated "intelligent", I didn't mean to imply a civilization but intelligence along the lines of dolphin, canines, et al.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It will accelerate the process toward non-religion, but it won't be overnight.

While that's already occurring with each "First World" generation, it's likely to speed up the process but continue to lag behind in Third World countries.

[rico]

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

For the record, when I stated "intelligent", I didn't mean to imply a civilization but intelligence along the lines of dolphin, canines, et al.

That's going to be a slippery slope when they get there. I'm not sure we can even get a quorum on the relative intelligence of primates, housepets, dolphins, etc.

Consciousness is an interesting question, too, along a similar vein.

Can we even recognize intelligence that isn't in some way similar to our own?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

That's going to be a slippery slope when they get there. I'm not sure we can even get a quorum on the relative intelligence of primates, housepets, dolphins, etc.

Consciousness is an interesting question, too, along a similar vein.

Can we even recognize intelligence that isn't in some way similar to our own?

That's the $64,000 dollar question

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

For the record, when I stated "intelligent", I didn't mean to imply a civilization but intelligence along the lines of dolphin, canines, et al.

Apes?

[Rain Man]

Iguana sighted on Mars, along with a rodent, crab, and lost hat. See link for full photo set.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/28/tech/m...ife/index.html