Mike and Mike Talking about Geno going #1 overall

[Hoover]

It was just a matter of time. Obviously the Chiefs don't need him but they are helping create a market for a trade.

Apparently Jaws loves the kid.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Brock

If you're excited about the prospect of Alex Smith coming here, you are a casual fan. I like alex smith, I don't think he is terrible, but you have to be some kind of special dumbass to think that the QB situation is settled based on that. And there are tons of people thinking/saying that.

The QB situation won't be settled until someone proves it on the field. But casual fan or not, I think it's reasonable to be excited about the possibility that Alex Smith has a chance to settle it. You might not like his chances, but I don't think you should like the chances of any of this year's crop of college prospects all that much either. Nonetheless, someone will probably overcome those odds.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by patteeu

No answer?

Your question doesn't make any sense, and can't be answered without considering a myriad of other factors. Your choices are great LT or journeyman QB. Why are those the choices? First, we wouldn't be getting a "Great" LT with the first pick in the draft. Anyone we chose would be an unknown, having never taken a single snap in the NFL. And journeymen QBs aren't labeled as such until it's evident that they're not franchise caliber at the NFL level. So I don't understand your choices. The draft is all about potential, and the qualities you are listing all require a great deal of proven experience to be labeled as such.

And that's still disregarding the fact that your attitude is "QB is the most important offensive position, so what?" In which I would answer, "If it's the most important position, it would make sense that it would be a higher priority than other lesser positions. Hence more patience and forgiveness in trying to fill that position properly."

[B14ckmon]

Even John Oesher of Jaguars.com said Jaguars are genuinely interested and that he is warming up to the idea of taking Geno

I'm starting to get warmed up down below.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by B14ckmon

Even John Oesher of Jaguars.com said Jaguars are genuinely interested and that he is warming up to the idea of taking Geno

I'm starting to get warmed up down below.

That's just your herpes acting up.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by patteeu

The QB situation won't be settled until someone proves it on the field. But casual fan or not, I think it's reasonable to be excited about the possibility that Alex Smith has a chance to settle it. You might not like his chances, but I don't think you should like the chances of any of this year's crop of college prospects all that much either. Nonetheless, someone will probably overcome those odds.

Like the chances of what?

Going to a SB with them or getting Alex Smith level production out of them?

[philfree]

Originally Posted by B14ckmon

Even John Oesher of Jaguars.com said Jaguars are genuinely interested and that he is warming up to the idea of taking Geno

I'm starting to get warmed up down below.

BleedingGreenNation ‏@BleedingGreen

Geno Smith is the 1st workout Eagles owner Jeff Lurie attended since Donovan McNabb http://sbn.to/116jNgy

How much you guys going to trade to move up one spot?

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Fish

Your question doesn't make any sense, and can't be answered without considering a myriad of other factors. Your choices are great LT or journeyman QB. Why are those the choices? First, we wouldn't be getting a "Great" LT with the first pick in the draft. Anyone we chose would be an unknown, having never taken a single snap in the NFL. And journeymen QBs aren't labeled as such until it's evident that they're not franchise caliber at the NFL level. So I don't understand your choices. The draft is all about potential, and the qualities you are listing all require a great deal of proven experience to be labeled as such.

And that's still disregarding the fact that your attitude is "QB is the most important offensive position, so what?" In which I would answer, "If it's the most important position, it would make sense that it would be a higher priority than other lesser positions. Hence more patience and forgiveness in trying to fill that position properly."

QB is the most important position. All else being equal, I agree that a team in need of a QB should take the QB. The problem is that your analysis seems to stop right there. All else is never equal. Clark Hunt would be foolish to hire a GM/coach who gave every draft prospect the same grade and then drafted based on importance of position.

Instead, you have to assess what you think a draft prospect will become. What's his ceiling? What's his floor? How likely is he to end up at either extreme? How will he fit in my system. Etc. Then you can factor in importance of the position, need, and so forth to align your draft board.

So your question (Which position is the overall offensive production more dependent on? LT or QB?) doesn't make any more sense than mine (hence the "so what?"). It's an interesting question to the extent that it explores one of many considerations that goes into making a draft pick, like mine does, but it doesn't really go far enough to give us any insight into what the Chiefs should actually do.

You may well think that Geno has a good chance of being a franchise QB, but if Reid thinks he's nothing more than journeyman material, it would explain a possible non-QB pick even though you, me, and probably Reid, agree that QB is the most important position.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Ponderception

Like the chances of what?

Going to a SB with them or getting Alex Smith level production out of them?

The chances of settling the Chiefs' QB situation for a significant period of time.

[B14ckmon]

Originally Posted by philfree

BleedingGreenNation ‏@BleedingGreen

Geno Smith is the 1st workout Eagles owner Jeff Lurie attended since Donovan McNabb http://sbn.to/116jNgy

How much you guys going to trade to move up one spot?

Rumor from people in the know on BleedingGreen is that Geno blew the interview because he threw Dana H under the bus. And Chip did not appreciate that being a former college coach.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by philfree

BleedingGreenNation ‏@BleedingGreen

Geno Smith is the 1st workout Eagles owner Jeff Lurie attended since Donovan McNabb http://sbn.to/116jNgy

How much you guys going to trade to move up one spot?

Jags, Eagles, Bills, and maybe even the Cards interested in Geno Smith. If we are hell bent on trading down, the Jags may have done us a hell of a favor at the very least.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by patteeu

QB is the most important position. All else being equal, I agree that a team in need of a QB should take the QB. The problem is that your analysis seems to stop right there. All else is never equal. Clark Hunt would be foolish to hire a GM/coach who gave every draft prospect the same grade and then drafted based on importance of position.

Instead, you have to assess what you think a draft prospect will become. What's his ceiling? What's his floor? How likely is he to end up at either extreme? How will he fit in my system. Etc. Then you can factor in importance of the position, need, and so forth to align your draft board.

So your question (Which position is the overall offensive production more dependent on? LT or QB?) doesn't make any more sense than mine (hence the "so what?"). It's an interesting question to the extent that it explores one of many considerations that goes into making a draft pick, like mine does, but it doesn't really go far enough to give us any insight into what the Chiefs should actually do.

You may well think that Geno has a good chance of being a franchise QB, but if Reid thinks he's nothing more than journeyman material, it would explain a possible non-QB pick even though you, me, and probably Reid, agree that QB is the most important position.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say my analysis stops there. I'm not advocating that the Chiefs simply draft by importance of the position played. Not in the least.

Regarding what the draft prospect will become.... Well... that's the complete unknown in the equation. You cannot ever know for sure, no matter what the position. There will always be Tony Mandrich's and JaMarcus Russell's. Picking Luke Joeckel has the same bust potential as picking Geno Smith. You cannot prove otherwise. You seem convinced that QB is less safe than other positions with regards to future ability, but that's just not the case. The picks at tackle aren't any safer than the picks at QB. So why not take a risk on the one that's the more important position? If Geno looked questionable, and Joeckel looked ironclad it might be a different approach. But there's no definitive #1, so why wouldn't you choose to take the guy with the highest franchise improving potential?

[B14ckmon]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Jags, Eagles, Bills, and maybe even the Cards interested in Geno Smith. If we are hell bent on trading down, the Jags may have done us a hell of a favor at the very least.

Unless Reid wants to trade Albert, in which case he has a LT in mind and trading down might risk missing that guy.

[BigCatDaddy]

I have little doubt Geno will be a Buffalo Bill. They are the most desperate at this point.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by B14ckmon

Unless Reid wants to trade Albert, in which case he has a LT in mind and trading down might risk missing that guy.

Bills are the worst there draft position wise at #8. Three LT's available. One should make it to #8.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Jags, Eagles, Bills, and maybe even the Cards interested in Geno Smith. If we are hell bent on trading down, the Jags may have done us a hell of a favor at the very least.

Pretty much.