Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 497

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

duncan_idaho · 07-23-2013, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Is it time to put Hochevar back in the starting line up and sit Davis?

It's probably time to see what Duffy does in his next Omaha start and promote him if it goes well.

Hochevar can go fist himself.

Will Smith is the next guy in line, IMO.

BigCatDaddy · 07-23-2013, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by P-90Rex

If he's ready it's gotta be Duffy, right? I'm not against Smith, but he'd be my second choice. Hoch third option. Davis...not an option at all. Neither is Mendoza.

There is no reason to rush Duffy back at this point.

**DeezNutz** · 07-23-2013, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

It's probably time to see what Duffy does in his next Omaha start and promote him if it goes well.

Hochevar can go fist himself.

Will Smith is the next guy in line, IMO.

It must be late July in KC.

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duncan_idaho · 07-23-2013, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Is Escobar one of the biggest turds in recent Royals history? He just goes up hacking, no gameplan at the plate. In the field he's quit, his concentration has completely left him as he makes poor plays now.

We'll get 20 WAR out of Cain & Escobar? So what. We'd have gotten 20 WAR playing Jarrod Dyson & Mike Aviles. If you trade for guys who give you only what you can get on your own, that's a bad trade.

Your obsession with being RIGHT about the Zack Greinke trade is entertaining.

Mike Aviles shouldn't have been moved - he should have been kept and played everyday at 2B (spelling Escobar at SS and Moustakas at 3B).

Jarrod Dyson's value probably would not hold up if he played everyday. And considering that you seem to HATE guys who provide all their value with their legs and defense - and who struggle at the plate - I think you'd soon be calling for HIS head.

BigCatDaddy · 07-23-2013, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

It's probably time to see what Duffy does in his next Omaha start and promote him if it goes well.

Hochevar can go fist himself.

Will Smith is the next guy in line, IMO.

I don't know if they bring him up this quick. I'd prefer to see Duffy and Smith in the rotation instead of Chen. At least Duffy and Smith are getting some more experience and can ready themselves to be in the rotation next year where Chen will be gone.

IF Santana goes I think it should be

Shields
Guthrie
Duffy
Will Smith
Mendoza

duncan_idaho · 07-23-2013, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I don't know if they bring him up this quick. I'd prefer to see Duffy and Smith in the rotation instead of Chen. At least Duffy and Smith are getting some more experience and can ready themselves to be in the rotation next year where Chen will be gone.

IF Santana goes I think it should be

Shields
Guthrie
Duffy
Will Smith
Mendoza

I wouldn't complain if they left him down a little longer, either. He is pretty close to ready, though.

Nightfyre · 07-23-2013, 09:40 AM

Are we sellers yet? yeesh.

ChiefsCountry · 07-23-2013, 10:28 AM

Hypothetical trade offer here:

Jake Peavey/Alex Rios for Ervin Santana, Competitive Balance Draft Pick, prospects (Duncan fill this part in)

Would any of you consider anything like this?

BlackHelicopters · 07-23-2013, 10:35 AM

GMDM is delusional if thinks this group of underachievers is going anywhere. Time to start over, again. 28 years.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-23-2013, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bambi

Getting excited about the possibility of acquiring prospects from the ****ing Pittsburgh Pirates.

What a disaster.

Wow

duncan_idaho · 07-23-2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Hypothetical trade offer here:

Jake Peavey/Alex Rios for Ervin Santana, Competitive Balance Draft Pick, prospects (Duncan fill this part in)

Would any of you consider anything like this?

Why does Chicago want Ervin Santana?

I would consider trading for Peavey/Rios for next year, but it would wipe out a big portion of the farm system. I don't Santana helps you at all in that deal.

**gblowfish** · 07-23-2013, 10:55 AM

Well, hopefully we'll be able to get Duffy, Paulino and the Fresh Prince into the rotation just to see what they've got.

I'd deal Santana for the best thing we can get -hopefully a 2B or RF prospect-, trade Chen and Hoch for a bag of batting practice balls. Need to get Hoch OUT of this organization. I think Mendoza has a tired arm from no off season. Keep him, rest him. I think he'll recover. Maybe try Crow as a starter if you get desperate for a number 5 guy.

**HemiEd** · 07-23-2013, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

It's probably time to see what Duffy does in his next Omaha start and promote him if it goes well.

Hochevar can go fist himself.

Will Smith is the next guy in line, IMO.

Well at least we agree that it is time for a change.

ChiefsCountry · 07-23-2013, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Why does Chicago want Ervin Santana?

I would consider trading for Peavey/Rios for next year, but it would wipe out a big portion of the farm system. I don't Santana helps you at all in that deal.

I was thinking salary dump purposes mainly since Santana is a free agent at the end of this year. More than likely this would have to be a 3 way team deal anyways with the amount of salary involved.

**HemiEd** · 07-23-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

No. Will Smith should get the next shot IMO. They need to try to figure something out for next year and Hoch won't be a Royal next year.

Can't argue with that. I brought up Hoch because he has looked pretty good in short relief lately, and maybe he has finally improved enough to give him one last look before letting him go.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
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