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[Mi_chief_fan]

Why is ESPN devoting so much time to this? Neither is a factor this year, nobody cares.

[DomerNKC]

True mecca. USC was great during the Hackett Years.

[Mecca]

Maybe it goes back to ND recruiting classes always being overrated....

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DomerNKC

True mecca. USC was great during the Hackett Years.

Don't remind me of that, but hey you guys are still in your futility when was your last Bowl game win?

My point was, we lost Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush tons of NFL star type players that were top 10 picks and we didn't get a "pass" we continued to contend for the national title.

[pikesome]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Maybe it goes back to ND recruiting classes always being overrated....

I don't understand this. On one hand it's now fashionable to call ND overrated but yet so many sportcasters do it.

[HolmeZz]

Originally Posted by Mecca

So why isn't Charlie Weis on the hotseat? He's basically doing the exact same thing Willingham did, I await as someone will cry racism, expect it.

I also think this is kinda dumb to act like ND should just get a pass. They have top rated recruiting classes, SC didn't totally suck after we lost guys.

Weis is bringing in top rated recruiting classes. Willingham wasn't. Weis' first recruiting class are currently sophomores and really none of them played last year on a veteran team. It's gonna take just a tad bit longer than that to re-stock the whole program.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by pikesome

I don't understand this. On one hand it's now fashionable to call ND overrated but yet so many sportcasters do it.

For a long time they'd get classes rated in the top 10 that didn't have good players in them, they put them higher just because it was ND.

When Tom Lemming was ESPN's main guy, he also did that high school all star game not sure if he still does, there was a story where Lorenzo Booker flat said he tried to convince him to go to ND and not FSU. He'd constantly plug ND try to get guys to go there, overrate their classes.

ND always gets overrated because to older people they are the standard, to younger people we don't even remember them being good. They can make a bowl game they shouldn't be in and get trounced, let's all remember back to Chad Johnson, Housh and Oregon State raping them all over the field.

Remember the ridiculously stupid Ron Powlus hype?

[DomerNKC]

Originally Posted by pikesome

He is in alot of people's minds and I've already heard the race card played. Maybe that contract he signed makes him too expensive to fire, dunno. I'd like to know what he's screwing up though, is it coaching, game planning, recruiting, what?

Weis is playing with the recruiting class that got Ty fired. It wasn't really the horrible class that he was (or wasn't) recruiting. Willingham was fired because we thought we had the inside track to Urban Meyer. We fired Willingham thinking we had Meyer, then Urban picked Florida. By the way, Weis will get more opportunity because he is one of ours. He Graduated from Notre Dame in 1978.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Weis is bringing in top rated recruiting classes. Willingham wasn't. Weis' first recruiting class are currently sophomores and really none of them played last year on a veteran team. It's gonna take just a tad bit longer than that to re-stock the whole program.

That's why you gotta play the best players man, at SC it doesn't matter. If the best player is a freshman he plays over the senior. USC played a ton of freshman and sophomores last year they didn't suck at all.

[DomerNKC]

[edit] 1980s-1990s

In the 1980s, USC football did not realize a national championship, though it continued to experience relative success, with top-20 AP rankings and PAC-10 Conference Championships. Under head coaches Ted Tollner (1983-1986) and Larry Smith (1987-1992), each winning the Rose Bowl once, USC was recognized among the nation's top-ten teams three times. However, some alumni had grown accustomed to the programs' stature as a perennial national championship contender. In 1993, Robinson was named head coach a second time, leading the Trojans to a victory in the 1996 Rose Bowl over Northwestern.
However, losing streaks of 11 years (1983-1993) to intersectional rival Notre Dame and 8 years (1991-1998) to crosstown rival UCLA were unacceptable to some USC supporters. In 1998, head coach Paul Hackett took over the team, but posted an even more disappointing 19-18 record in three seasons. By 2000, some observers surmised that USC football's days of national dominance were fading; the football team's record of 37-35 from 1996 to 2001 was their second-worst over any five-year span in history (only the mark of 29-29-2 from 1956-1961 was worse), and the period marked the first and only time USC had been out of the final top 20 teams for four straight years. We all have good times and bad times. Good thing they keep records, that way young people don't think that the way things are now is the way they always were and always will be.

[KurtCobain]

WHO? SUCKS? MORE?

go irish!

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DomerNKC

[edit] 1980s-1990s

In the 1980s, USC football did not realize a national championship, though it continued to experience relative success, with top-20 AP rankings and PAC-10 Conference Championships. Under head coaches Ted Tollner (1983-1986) and Larry Smith (1987-1992), each winning the Rose Bowl once, USC was recognized among the nation's top-ten teams three times. However, some alumni had grown accustomed to the programs' stature as a perennial national championship contender. In 1993, Robinson was named head coach a second time, leading the Trojans to a victory in the 1996 Rose Bowl over Northwestern.
However, losing streaks of 11 years (1983-1993) to intersectional rival Notre Dame and 8 years (1991-1998) to crosstown rival UCLA were unacceptable to some USC supporters. In 1998, head coach Paul Hackett took over the team, but posted an even more disappointing 19-18 record in three seasons. By 2000, some observers surmised that USC football's days of national dominance were fading; the football team's record of 37-35 from 1996 to 2001 was their second-worst over any five-year span in history (only the mark of 29-29-2 from 1956-1961 was worse), and the period marked the first and only time USC had been out of the final top 20 teams for four straight years. We all have good times and bad times. Good thing they keep records, that way young people don't think that the way things are now is the way they always were and always will be.

And that is exactly what I'm talking about, I was born in 80, I'm 26 years old. To me the 80s are a distant memory a long with hair metal and all that. I got into SC in the early 90's when I was 12/13 that was when I really started getting into football in general.

People my age and especially younger people don't remember ND being good the 80's are a long forgot memory.

[pikesome]

Originally Posted by Mecca

And that is exactly what I'm talking about, I was born in 80, I'm 26 years old. To me the 80s are a distant memory a long with hair metal and all that. I got into SC in the early 90's when I was 12/13 that was when I really started getting into football in general.

People my age and especially younger people don't remember ND being good the 80's are a long forgot memory.

If KState could contend(ish) for a NC then no school's future is set completely by their past.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by Mecca

So why isn't Charlie Weis on the hotseat? He's basically doing the exact same thing Willingham did, I await as someone will cry racism, expect it.

From our boy Whitlock, in 2005:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...hitlock/051101

[DomerNKC]

[edit] National Championships

• Notre Dame has won 8 wire (AP or Coaches) national championships.

• Notre Dame claims national championships in an additional 3 seasons, for a total of 11 consensus national championships. Notre Dame, however, is often credited with 13 national championships in total. The 1938 and 1953 seasons are the reason for the discrepancy. In 1938, 8-1 Notre Dame was awarded the national championship by the Dickinson System, while Texas Christian (which finished 11-0) was awarded the championship by the Associated Press.

In the 1953 season, an undefeated Notre Dame team (9-0-1) was named national champion by every major selector except the AP and UPI (Coaches) polls, where the Irish finished second in both to 10-1 Maryland. As Notre Dame has a policy of only recognizing AP and Coaches Poll national championships post-1936, the school does not officially recognize the 1953 national championship.[1][2]

• Notre Dame has been voted "national champion" by at least one selector in an additional 9 seasons (1919, 1920, 1927, 1938, 1964, 1967, 1970, 1989).

The following is a list of Notre Dame's 11 consensus national championships:
YearCoachSelectorRecordBowl1924Knute RockneHelms, CFRA, NCF10-0Won Rose1929Knute RockneHelms, CFRA, NCF9-0-1930Knute RockneHelms, CFRA, NCF10-0-1943Frank LeahyAP9-1-1946Frank LeahyAP8-0-1-1947Frank LeahyAP9-0-1949Frank LeahyAP10-0-1966Ara ParseghianAP, Coaches9-0-1-1973Ara ParseghianAP11-0Won Sugar1977Dan DevineAP, Coaches11-1Won Cotton1988Lou HoltzAP, Coaches12-0Won FiestaConsensus national championships11[edit] Distinctions


The Leprechaun

• Notre Dame is one of a few schools to have over 800 wins. Some other schools with 800 wins are Michigan, Nebraska and Texas.
• Notre Dame has the 2nd highest winning percentage in NCAA history (.744), second only to Michigan(.745).
• The football program is tied with USC for most Heisman trophy winners at 7 (Ohio State has 7 Heisman trophies that were won by 6 players).
• It has also produced the most All-Americans, including consensus All-Americans(79 with 96 selections).
• Nine former players are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, second only to USC(10). Notre Dame has produced the largest number of players to go on to play in the National Football League of any program in the country. As of the 2007 NFL draft, 459 players have been drafted. [3]
• Helped by its status as a highly regarded academic institution (ranked 19th by U.S. News & World Report) [4], Notre Dame is second only to Nebraska in Academic All-Americans (43).
• Notre Dame is represented by 47 players and coaches in the College Football Hall of Fame, the most of any university.
• Since 1962, Notre Dame has graduated 98.74% of its football players in four years. As of 2006, only 13 football players in this time have left Notre Dame without finishing their degree requirements. Also of note is the 90% graduation rate of ND's African-American players (only Navy and Boston College have higher African American graduation rates)[5]
• Notre Dame has had 12 undefeated seasons and 10 others with at most 1 loss or tie. Notre Dame has only had 12 losing seasons in 118 seasons of playing football.
• The football program is also known for ending the Oklahoma NCAA record winning streak of 47 games in 1957. Incidentally, Oklahoma's 28-21 loss to Notre Dame to open the 1953 season was the last loss before the beginning of the streak.
• Notre Dame also holds the NCAA record for Most consecutive wins over one opponent, beating the US Naval Academy (USNA) 43 times in a row to date. Just in case you didn't know. Yes, this is a down year. It may very well be a down decade. We may never be what we once were. Only time will tell. Notre Dame has had alot to do with the success of Colligiate Football that we all love though.

[Mecca]

Long distant past...