Chiefs What The Niners did with the Picks from the AS trade - Page 2

DTLB58 · 01:14 AM

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Now that we see the final product of what the Niners gave away and received in the Alex Smith trade from 14 months ago, we can judge one thing about San Francisco GM Trent Baalke: He is calculating, he is fast, and he knows how to set up his team for the future.

The result, first, of the 2013 trade of Smith to Kansas City for a pair of second-round draft picks. The two second-round picks, or their tributaries, were traded a total of five times over the past two drafts, and here’s how it shook out after this year’s draft.

Surrendered
QB Alex Smith

Acquired*
DL Tank Carradine (second round, 2013)
LB Corey Lemonier (third round, 2013)
LB Chris Borland (third round, 2014)
RB Carlos Hyde (second round, 2014)
WR Stevie Johnson (acquired for 2015 fourth-rounder)

* Lemonier was acquired in part with a tributary pick stemming from the Smith trade, and Johnson was acquired from Buffalo on Friday for a fourth-round conditional pick in 2015. That’s included here because San Francisco obtained a fourth-round pick in 2015 from Denver for the second-round pick that originally belonged to Kansas City—so the two picks, arguably, will end up canceling each other out.
Now the story. In the span of 22 minutes Friday, Baalke consummated three trades. One: He traded the 56th pick in the second round (the second Kansas City second-rounder) to Denver for the 63rdand 171st this year, and the Broncos’ fourth-round pick next year. Two: Baalke traded the 63rd and 171stpicks just acquired from Denver to Miami for the 57th pick in the draft; Baalke got the player he would have picked at 56, Carlos Hyde, at 57 … while adding the fourth-rounder next year that replaced the pick used to get Stevie Johnson. Three: He traded his own second-round pick, 61st overall, to Jacksonville for the 70th and 150th picks.

Baalke explained that he and COO Paraag Marathe work the phone and line up prospective trades, and it was hectic because there were a couple of other teams calling in that 22-minute span trying to get one or more of the Niners’ picks at 56 and 61. “That span you talked about was a little bit of a grind,” Baalke said late Saturday night. “A lot of action, a lot of things to consider. Paraag’s the best in the business at lining things up, and then we make the decision. After we made the trade with Denver, I thought we might be able to get Carlos at 61, but then we called [Miami] at 57 and figured we could use what we got from Denver in this year’s draft and keep next year’s pick and move up to make sure we got him. And it allowed us basically to get our four back, which we used to trade for Stevie.”

This isn’t a case of San Francisco fleecing Denver. But it is an example of Baalke doing the smart thing, and waiting till a needy team is either on the clock or frothing after a certain player. That was Denver with wide receiver Cody Latimer, who the Broncos project to replace Eric Decker right away. If he works out the way John Elway thinks, surrendering the four next year will be nothing.

Time will tell if Baalke made the haul worth it. The five pieces the Smith deal yielded:

Carradine will get on the field healthy for the first time as a Niner this month. He missed all of last season with an ACL tear. He’ll be the third man in the 3-4 defensive end rotation with the aging Justin Smith and Ray McDonald, and move inside on some four-lineman snaps. He’s being groomed to start in the 3-4 scheme when Smith or McDonald are gone.
Lemonierplayed 284 snaps, mostly subbing for the idle Aldon Smith last year, and will be in the outside-linebacker rotation with Michael Wilhoite and Nick Moody, competing for time.
Borlandis an accomplished college player, and produced an amazing 27 turnovers in his Wisconsin career. But he’s only 5-11 ½, and he could be a first-down player only (against the run). “It’ll be interesting to see if his game translates to the NFL,” said defensive coordinator Vic Fangio. However, with NaVorro Bowman expect to be sidelined until at least November rehabbing a sere knee injury, there’s a spot on the Niners’ D at inside ‘backer waiting to be won, and Borland will get a solid crack at it. “I’ve heard people talk about his size, and his short arms,” said Baalke. “But he’s a guy with instincts. All those short did somehow was rack up over 400 tackles in the Big Ten.”
Hyde should be able to make the move from the Big 10 to the NFL much easier. He’s the heir to Frank Gore, a 230-pound bruiser with enough moves to be an every-down back. That is, if Gore ever slows down.
Johnson is still only 27, but he had a down year last year with the Bills. He’s not the speedster the Niners sought this offseason to help de-pressurize Anquan Boldin and Michael Crabtree, but he should be a good third receiver and an adequate piece to San Francisco’s underachieving receiver group.
I asked Baalke about his feelings on the trade now that the chips are known. “Mixed emotions,’’ he said. “I have so much respect for Alex Smith and his family, and great regard for him as a player. He’s the epitome of a good man and teammate and a good player. I know the Kansas City Chiefs staff, and they are thrilled to have him. We’ll see how it works out for us. It’s still early.”

Deberg_1990 · 05-12-2014, 06:53 AM

Nice to see on paper the great value the Chiefs got!

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-12-2014, 07:02 AM

So They got a guy that ****ed up his knee, a guy behind Nick ****ing Moody on the depth chart

, a guy that projects as a 1st down run stuffer at best, backup RB, and malcontent receiver. This is how the people bitching evaluate our guys, so only fair to do the same. We get a QB that helps take us from 2 to 11 wins and puts up 44 in the playoffs. Scores 35 ppg the 2nd half of the year when they score 13 a game the year before with same players. That is value.

jd1020 · 05-12-2014, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

So They got a guy that ****ed up his knee, a guy behind Nick ****ing Moody on the depth chart

, a guy that projects as a 1st down run stuffer at best, backup RB, and malcontent receiver. This is how the people bitching evaluate our guys, so only fair to do the same. We get a QB that helps take us from 2 to 11 wins and puts up 44 in the playoffs. Scores 35 ppg the 2nd half of the year when they score 13 a game the year before with same players. That is value.

Don't forget to leave out the jump from the 32nd ranked passing offense to the 25th.

TEX · 05-12-2014, 07:08 AM

I HATED to see Denver use a pick, that used to be ours, to draft WR Cody Latimer.

Dude is gonna be good, especially with 5-head throwing to him. He will make this kid the same way he made Decker.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-12-2014, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Don't forget to leave out the jump from the 32nd ranked passing offense to the 25th.

Doubled the amount of points scored in one year isn't enough for you dipshits. I did forget the 400 plus total yards and 4 TDS in the playoffs, but you will whine he didn't throw a 5th because Gray is a slow turd

jd1020 · 05-12-2014, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

I did forget the 400 plus total yards and 4 TDS in the playoffs, but you will whine he didn't throw a 5th because Gray is a slow turd

Ahh yes. Gray, the slow turd and Alex, not the guy that overthrew a wide the **** open receiver.

Absolutely none of the blame goes to a QB who managed to lead a team to a whopping 3 2nd half points. None.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-12-2014, 07:17 AM

I still fail to see this "haul" the Niners got in how the players are described in the article. Seems they got a bunch of jobbers.

htismaqe · 05-12-2014, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

I still fail to see this "haul" the Niners got in how the players are described in the article. Seems they got a bunch of jobbers.

Same here.

The only frustrating thing for me is that, after seeing this past weekend, I think Dorsey might have actually been able to do something with those picks.

**LoneWolf** · 05-12-2014, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Commodity = something that satisfies wants and needs. The Chiefs fans want to win a SB and the Chiefs organization desperately needs to win a SB. Alex will satisfy none of the above.

49ers season records:

2007: 5-11
2008: 7-9
2009: 8-8
2010: 6-10
2011: 13-3
2012: 11-4-1
2013: 12-4

What year did you say he became GM again?

The Chiefs wanted a capable starting QB and needed one that could not be compared to a dry lump of shit. AS satisfied both of those requirements.

You stated that the 49ers were established before he took over the GM duties, so his becoming GM in 2011 shouldn't matter. He hasn't been any better at hitting in draft picks than the majority if GMs. He's just had more chances due to using a commodity like AS to acquire extra picks. A few of his "hits" are even in question. Aldon Smith is a certifiable idiot who might not play this season and Kaepernick is far from a sure thing as a QB.

jd1020 · 05-12-2014, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

You stated that the 49ers were established before he took over the GM duties, so his becoming GM in 2011 shouldn't matter. He hasn't been any better at hitting in draft picks than the majority if GMs. He's just had more chances due to using a commodity like AS to acquire extra picks. A few of his "hits" are even in question. Aldon Smith is a certifiable idiot who might not play this season and Kaepernick is far from a sure thing as a QB.

No. No, I didn't.

htismaqe · 05-12-2014, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

the most graphic depiction of rape i've ever read

No way, not at all.

The 49ers failed to maximize the value of those picks.

One of those LBs won't even make the team and they drafted a defensive lineman named "Tank" - he's guaranteed to fail.

**notorious** · 05-12-2014, 07:44 AM

We could have kept the picks and been kicking ass with ..... who again?

I am not saying it was a great trade, it just wasn't a BAD one.

**LoneWolf** · 05-12-2014, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

No. No, I didn't.

You are correct, you didn't. You are still wrong though.

jd1020 · 05-12-2014, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

You are correct, you didn't. You are still wrong though.

Not really.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-12-2014, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

We could have kept the picks and been kicking ass with ..... who again?

I am not saying it was a great trade, it just wasn't a BAD one.

Corey Lemonade

05-12-2014, 01:08 AM
DTLB58 DT CARD COLLECTOR Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: ManCave Casino cash: $10005837	What The Niners did with the Picks from the AS trade From MMQB http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/12/the-20...with-a-kiss/3/ Now that we see the final product of what the Niners gave away and received in the Alex Smith trade from 14 months ago, we can judge one thing about San Francisco GM Trent Baalke: He is calculating, he is fast, and he knows how to set up his team for the future. The result, first, of the 2013 trade of Smith to Kansas City for a pair of second-round draft picks. The two second-round picks, or their tributaries, were traded a total of five times over the past two drafts, and here’s how it shook out after this year’s draft. Surrendered QB Alex Smith Acquired* DL Tank Carradine (second round, 2013) LB Corey Lemonier (third round, 2013) LB Chris Borland (third round, 2014) RB Carlos Hyde (second round, 2014) WR Stevie Johnson (acquired for 2015 fourth-rounder) * Lemonier was acquired in part with a tributary pick stemming from the Smith trade, and Johnson was acquired from Buffalo on Friday for a fourth-round conditional pick in 2015. That’s included here because San Francisco obtained a fourth-round pick in 2015 from Denver for the second-round pick that originally belonged to Kansas City—so the two picks, arguably, will end up canceling each other out. Now the story. In the span of 22 minutes Friday, Baalke consummated three trades. One: He traded the 56th pick in the second round (the second Kansas City second-rounder) to Denver for the 63rdand 171st this year, and the Broncos’ fourth-round pick next year. Two: Baalke traded the 63rd and 171stpicks just acquired from Denver to Miami for the 57th pick in the draft; Baalke got the player he would have picked at 56, Carlos Hyde, at 57 … while adding the fourth-rounder next year that replaced the pick used to get Stevie Johnson. Three: He traded his own second-round pick, 61st overall, to Jacksonville for the 70th and 150th picks. Baalke explained that he and COO Paraag Marathe work the phone and line up prospective trades, and it was hectic because there were a couple of other teams calling in that 22-minute span trying to get one or more of the Niners’ picks at 56 and 61. “That span you talked about was a little bit of a grind,” Baalke said late Saturday night. “A lot of action, a lot of things to consider. Paraag’s the best in the business at lining things up, and then we make the decision. After we made the trade with Denver, I thought we might be able to get Carlos at 61, but then we called [Miami] at 57 and figured we could use what we got from Denver in this year’s draft and keep next year’s pick and move up to make sure we got him. And it allowed us basically to get our four back, which we used to trade for Stevie.” This isn’t a case of San Francisco fleecing Denver. But it is an example of Baalke doing the smart thing, and waiting till a needy team is either on the clock or frothing after a certain player. That was Denver with wide receiver Cody Latimer, who the Broncos project to replace Eric Decker right away. If he works out the way John Elway thinks, surrendering the four next year will be nothing. Time will tell if Baalke made the haul worth it. The five pieces the Smith deal yielded: Carradine will get on the field healthy for the first time as a Niner this month. He missed all of last season with an ACL tear. He’ll be the third man in the 3-4 defensive end rotation with the aging Justin Smith and Ray McDonald, and move inside on some four-lineman snaps. He’s being groomed to start in the 3-4 scheme when Smith or McDonald are gone. Lemonierplayed 284 snaps, mostly subbing for the idle Aldon Smith last year, and will be in the outside-linebacker rotation with Michael Wilhoite and Nick Moody, competing for time. Borlandis an accomplished college player, and produced an amazing 27 turnovers in his Wisconsin career. But he’s only 5-11 ½, and he could be a first-down player only (against the run). “It’ll be interesting to see if his game translates to the NFL,” said defensive coordinator Vic Fangio. However, with NaVorro Bowman expect to be sidelined until at least November rehabbing a sere knee injury, there’s a spot on the Niners’ D at inside ‘backer waiting to be won, and Borland will get a solid crack at it. “I’ve heard people talk about his size, and his short arms,” said Baalke. “But he’s a guy with instincts. All those short did somehow was rack up over 400 tackles in the Big Ten.” Hyde should be able to make the move from the Big 10 to the NFL much easier. He’s the heir to Frank Gore, a 230-pound bruiser with enough moves to be an every-down back. That is, if Gore ever slows down. Johnson is still only 27, but he had a down year last year with the Bills. He’s not the speedster the Niners sought this offseason to help de-pressurize Anquan Boldin and Michael Crabtree, but he should be a good third receiver and an adequate piece to San Francisco’s underachieving receiver group. I asked Baalke about his feelings on the trade now that the chips are known. “Mixed emotions,’’ he said. “I have so much respect for Alex Smith and his family, and great regard for him as a player. He’s the epitome of a good man and teammate and a good player. I know the Kansas City Chiefs staff, and they are thrilled to have him. We’ll see how it works out for us. It’s still early.” Last edited by DTLB58; 05-12-2014 at 01:14 AM.. Reason: Added text
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Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $4058880	So They got a guy that **ed up his knee, a guy behind Nick **ing Moody on the depth chart , a guy that projects as a 1st down run stuffer at best, backup RB, and malcontent receiver. This is how the people bitching evaluate our guys, so only fair to do the same. We get a QB that helps take us from 2 to 11 wins and puts up 44 in the playoffs. Scores 35 ppg the 2nd half of the year when they score 13 a game the year before with same players. That is value.
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