Chiefs First Units Impressions - Page 2

OldSchool · 08-17-2014, 08:23 PM

Things that I noticed off the bat:

Offense:

Alex Smith - Looked good except for a couple of misfires. He was hit way too much in this game.

Eric Fisher - Looks alright but he had a couple of glaringly bad moments, both against Hardy. Completely whiffed on a pass play and run play. He played better than I expected but not as well as you would hope.

Run plays - We were successful almost exclusively on runs to the left of our formation but anything going to the right was almost always stuffed right away.

Interior OL - It's about as bad as I thought it would be. Star had his way with Jeff Allen way too often. Fulton is a terrible blocker in the screen game.

TE Fasano - I think he is best described as slow but steady. I hope Kelce replaces him in the starting role sooner rather than later.

Bowe - Looks like he did in the later part of the season and into the playoffs. He'll be fine as long as he stays healthy.

DAT - Fast as hell with great vision and showed fantastic awareness and burst on his carry.

Knile Davis - For some reason, he looks slower to me this year. I thought he was Gray on a couple of plays. He had one bad play in pass pro but was ok otherwise.

Play calling - Way too predictable but that's the pre-season for you. Expect them to open it up a little more in week 3 for the dress-up and then shut it down for week 4 before the regular season.

Defense:

Houston - He looks sluggish out there and really ineffective. This is the guy that everyone wants to extend for $60+ mil a year? Could just be him being out of shape from his holdout but we'll see if he can turn it on for the season.

Hali - Same as always. Steady and high motor player who shows no quit. Looks much better than Houston.

DBs - Can we please switch to Seattle's cover scheme? We lack the dominant, or at least technically sound corners, that can run the man coverage scheme effectively. Cooper is our best CB and he's still a bit too raw to be trusted on an island. Smith just doesn't really have the foot speed to be effective in man coverage, especially with the new rules today.

Joe Mays - He's an upgrade over Jordan so far, at least as a blitzer and in the run game.

DL - Poe looks solid and was held on an awful lot of plays. We still gave up the short TD runs far too easily though.

What did you guys notice out of the first unit out there?

Marcellus · 08-17-2014, 08:57 PM

OL issues are being blown out of proportion.

Defensive issues may be an issue.

O.city · 08-17-2014, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Debatable.

Rams
49ers
Seahawks
Cardinals
Broncos
Texans

They are all up there with the Panthers. Panthers have several players who are dominant as hell though. Johnson, Hardy, and Lotulelei are all monsters.

With their 2 ILB"s they're better than any of those teams.

Maybe the Texans when healthy though.

OldSchool · 08-17-2014, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

With their 2 ILB"s they're better than any of those teams.

Maybe the Texans when healthy though.

49ers have Bowman and Willis . . .

O.city · 08-17-2014, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

49ers have Bowman and Willis . . .

Sure.

But the Panthers 2 are better IMO

Psyko Tek · 08-17-2014, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

You may be. They have a pretty good front 7.

I thought the first half was mix and match, but a little more good than bad. Still sloppy but better than last week. I'm actually more optimistic than I was heading into the game, because I expected the line to get steam-rolled.

thry were worse last week?
what is the over under on smith making 8 games

ThaVirus · 08-17-2014, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Sure.

But the Panthers 2 are better IMO

I've noticed you've said this a couple times.

Thomas Davis is an OLB. The Panthers run a 4-3.

Jimmya · 08-17-2014, 09:01 PM

Defensive coaching is a giant question mark going into this season.

OldSchool · 08-17-2014, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Sure.

But the Panthers 2 are better IMO

Eh, I would disagree with you. There is no tandem better than Bowman and Willis when they are healthy.

O.city · 08-17-2014, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I've noticed you've said this a couple times.

Thomas Davis is an OLB. The Panthers run a 4-3.

I was thinking it was a hybrid.

**notorious** · 08-17-2014, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmya

Defensive coaching is a giant question mark going into this season.

Not really.

It's pretty obvious they suck.

O.city · 08-17-2014, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Eh, I would disagree with you. There is no tandem better than Bowman and Willis when they are healthy.

I think Willis is a bit overrated at this point in his career to be honest. He's good, but he's got/had great guys in front of him.

Most great ILB's do though.

ViperVisor · 08-17-2014, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

OL issues are being blown out of proportion.

Defensive issues may be an issue.

I don't think the PFF review of the game will be kind to them.

ThaVirus · 08-17-2014, 09:21 PM

I just posted this in the game thread but Dee Ford and Vance Walker are getting tossed by 3rd stringers right about now.

Of course they're not starters but they're supposed to make an impact this season..

jd1020 · 08-17-2014, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I just posted this in the game thread but Dee Ford and Vance Walker are getting tossed by 3rd stringers right about now.

Of course they're not starters but they're supposed to make an impact this season..

I wasn't really counting on Ford making an impact this year. I don't expect him to play much until Hali is gone.

I need to look at the Chiefs 2016 FA's to see who they are going to target in the 2015 draft.

TEX · 08-17-2014, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

OL issues are being blown out of proportion.

Defensive issues may be an issue.

You're right. The Secondary BLOWS and the scheme combined with the new league emphasis on defensive holding could spell DISASTER.

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OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	First Units Impressions Things that I noticed off the bat: Offense: Alex Smith - Looked good except for a couple of misfires. He was hit way too much in this game. Eric Fisher - Looks alright but he had a couple of glaringly bad moments, both against Hardy. Completely whiffed on a pass play and run play. He played better than I expected but not as well as you would hope. Run plays - We were successful almost exclusively on runs to the left of our formation but anything going to the right was almost always stuffed right away. Interior OL - It's about as bad as I thought it would be. Star had his way with Jeff Allen way too often. Fulton is a terrible blocker in the screen game. TE Fasano - I think he is best described as slow but steady. I hope Kelce replaces him in the starting role sooner rather than later. Bowe - Looks like he did in the later part of the season and into the playoffs. He'll be fine as long as he stays healthy. DAT - Fast as hell with great vision and showed fantastic awareness and burst on his carry. Knile Davis - For some reason, he looks slower to me this year. I thought he was Gray on a couple of plays. He had one bad play in pass pro but was ok otherwise. Play calling - Way too predictable but that's the pre-season for you. Expect them to open it up a little more in week 3 for the dress-up and then shut it down for week 4 before the regular season. Defense: Houston - He looks sluggish out there and really ineffective. This is the guy that everyone wants to extend for $60+ mil a year? Could just be him being out of shape from his holdout but we'll see if he can turn it on for the season. Hali - Same as always. Steady and high motor player who shows no quit. Looks much better than Houston. DBs - Can we please switch to Seattle's cover scheme? We lack the dominant, or at least technically sound corners, that can run the man coverage scheme effectively. Cooper is our best CB and he's still a bit too raw to be trusted on an island. Smith just doesn't really have the foot speed to be effective in man coverage, especially with the new rules today. Joe Mays - He's an upgrade over Jordan so far, at least as a blitzer and in the run game. DL - Poe looks solid and was held on an awful lot of plays. We still gave up the short TD runs far too easily though. What did you guys notice out of the first unit out there?
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