Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 528

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

duncan_idaho · 07-29-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

Not saying I disagree with you and I think a trade for Kendrick should happen if they ask for either one. If the Royals worry that either guy will turn out to be a reliever then they shouldn't be bothered trading them away.

I wouldn't shit myself if it was Duffy... just would prefer it wasn't, if it's between those two guys. My secondary pieces are probably lesser if it's Duffy, to be honest.

I don't think there's real concern Duffy will end up in the pen. He has pretty successfully returned from TJ.

WhawhaWhat · 07-29-2013, 10:29 AM

Howie Kendrick would be tied for first place in HRs and second in OPS if he joined the Royals.

Cephalic Trauma · 07-29-2013, 10:30 AM

Marco Scutaro anyone?

The giants are shopping vets.

Prison Bitch · 07-29-2013, 10:31 AM

Agreed, he'd be our new 2 hitter. If I'm Anaheim I'm getting 1 can't miss (as best you can know) SP and at least 1 other pitcher pref one with MLB experience and controlled. So Ventura + Crow seems sensible.

duncan_idaho · 07-29-2013, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Agreed, he'd be our new 2 hitter. If I'm Anaheim I'm getting 1 can't miss (as best you can know) SP and at least 1 other pitcher pref one with MLB experience and controlled. So Ventura + Crow seems sensible.

Hadn't even thought about including Crow (or Collins) as part of that deal.

Hell, if it's Ventura+Crow+Brett Eibner/Christian Colon/someone similar, I do that tomorrow and don't look back.

WhawhaWhat · 07-29-2013, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Hadn't even thought about including Crow (or Collins) as part of that deal.

Hell, if it's Ventura+Crow+Brett Eibner/Christian Colon/someone similar, I do that tomorrow and don't look back.

Colon would be a nice added piece because he would be blocked with Kendrick in place thru 2015.

Prison Bitch · 07-29-2013, 10:43 AM

I'm trying to think of what they'd need. They're 11th in ERA, 13th in runs allowed. So obviously it's pitching. Their rotation and pen seen equally bad so I'd guess they'd need 1 from each area. At 48-55 they're done for this year in all likelihood so they'd at least take your calls on Kendrick.

Mama Hip Rockets · 07-29-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

Marco Scutaro anyone?

The giants are shopping vets.

If the Royals were in World Series mode, yes. But if they have to give up anything significant, I don't think it would be worth it since Scutaro is 37.

WhawhaWhat · 07-29-2013, 10:46 AM

Angels just traded Scott Downs to the Braves for a younger reliever, Cory Rasmus, brother of Colby.

Cephalic Trauma · 07-29-2013, 10:48 AM

Bonifacio promoted to AA.

BigCatDaddy · 07-29-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Agreed, he'd be our new 2 hitter. If I'm Anaheim I'm getting 1 can't miss (as best you can know) SP and at least 1 other pitcher pref one with MLB experience and controlled. So Ventura + Crow seems sensible.

Duffy up, Davis to the pen.

Sounds good to me.

ChiefsCountry · 07-29-2013, 11:24 AM

Glad to see people are back on the trade wagon.

mr. tegu · 07-29-2013, 11:42 AM

Wild card standings as of today:

Tampa Bay: +4.5, in
Baltimore: -, in
Cleveland: -1
Texas: -1.5
NYY: -2.5
Kansas City: -5

Only four teams to jump over! I think our best bet is still the Central though. In the wildcard race, not only are you competing with those teams listed, you have to worry about the division leaders who may fall back into the wildcard race.

**DeezNutz** · 07-29-2013, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Glad to see people are back on the trade wagon.

As long as you're off the Rios wagon. ****, man.

Cephalic Trauma · 07-29-2013, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Glad to see people are back on the trade wagon.

Our FO said they aren't selling, so we really don't have a choice.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1840308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	Agreed, he'd be our new 2 hitter. If I'm Anaheim I'm getting 1 can't miss (as best you can know) SP and at least 1 other pitcher pref one with MLB experience and controlled. So Ventura + Crow seems sensible.
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Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	I'm trying to think of what they'd need. They're 11th in ERA, 13th in runs allowed. So obviously it's pitching. Their rotation and pen seen equally bad so I'd guess they'd need 1 from each area. At 48-55 they're done for this year in all likelihood so they'd at least take your calls on Kendrick.
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mr. tegu Forever Royal Join Date: Mar 2012 Casino cash: $2061300	Wild card standings as of today: Tampa Bay: +4.5, in Baltimore: -, in Cleveland: -1 Texas: -1.5 NYY: -2.5 Kansas City: -5 Only four teams to jump over! I think our best bet is still the Central though. In the wildcard race, not only are you competing with those teams listed, you have to worry about the division leaders who may fall back into the wildcard race.
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