Junior Seau dead, probable suicide

[Quesadilla Joe]

North County Times reporting Seau "found dead by a housekeeper of a gunshot wound to the chest."

https://twitter.com/#!/LATimesfarmer...55054793560065


Junior Seau Dead Cops Investigating Shooting

Cops are currently at Seau's home just outside San Diego. Seau was 43-years-old ... and leaves behind 3 kids and an ex-wife.

Seau was a beast in the NFL -- skyrocketing to fame thanks to his explosive play with the San Diego Chargers, Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots. The USC standout was selected in the first round of the NFL draft in 1990 and played in the league for 20 years.

Seau was involved in a car accident back in 2010 when he drove his SUV off a cliff in Carlsbad, CA hours after he was arrested for allegedly attacking his girlfriend. Seau later said he was not trying to kill himself ... insisting he had fallen asleep at the wheel.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/02/junior-seau-dead/

Originally Posted by Aries Walker

Well, I don't know you, of course, except from what I see here, and of course we each have our own opinions (that's a good thing, actually). What you've been saying for the past couple of pages makes me think that you haven't really lived with someone who has serious, chronic, clinical depression, and maybe you don't have a full grasp of it.

Which is fine, unless a) you exhibit this level of vehemence towards someone who is suffering badly from it, or b) you have to live with it yourself sometime in the future. I hope neither happens, but my advice to you is to ease up on the outright dismissal of its severity a little, and maybe soak in a little of what everyone else in this thread is saying.

I don't say anything to anybody who is suffering. I go out of my way to help anybody and everybody. But once they end it, that's final. It's over.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Phobia

If you came out of D.C. more often you're realize I'm not inhumane. I refuse to accept suicide as an option for anybody in my circle. I think that's a pretty good standard to set. I mean, if you're okay with it or choose to accept somebody choking on a revolver, that's your business. I disagree. I'm not going to apologize for having a position.

I haven't been in DC in a very long time.

The fact that you don't understand suicide just means you are ignorant of it. The people committing suicide are not capable of making rational decisions. It is mental illness, and you can have a wrong opinion about it but you can't change that fact. Luckily the medical profession isn't like you.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by Phobia

If you came out of D.C. more often you're realize I'm not inhumane. I refuse to accept suicide as an option for anybody in my circle. I think that's a pretty good standard to set. I mean, if you're okay with it or choose to accept somebody choking on a revolver, that's your business. I disagree. I'm not going to apologize for having a position.

Well that and as someone else said. Do we have to sympathise with the mental problems of pedophiles, murders? I mean we don't know the things they go through. They have mental problems also. Where is the line drawn? Who decides the line?

Originally Posted by Literature

Is that really what our only options are, here? I had an uncle commit suicide two years ago, and although I don't "accept" it, I know that in the last days, he was not the same person I had grown up knowing. He was not himself.

Sorry for the loss of your uncle. I'm not about to smear your nose in his death. Enough said.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Well that and as someone else said. Do we have to sympathise with the mental problems of pedophiles, murders? I mean we don't know the things they go through. They have mental problems also. Where is the line drawn? Who decides the line?

Are you really comparing pedophiles with the depressed? JFC you are dumb.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by splatbass

Are you really comparing pedophiles with the depressed? JFC you are dumb.

Why? Just imagine what your family hasto deal with in your mental problems in being a pedo.

Originally Posted by Valiant

Well that and as someone else said. Do we have to sympathise with the mental problems of pedophiles, murders? I mean we don't know the things they go through. They have mental problems also. Where is the line drawn? Who decides the line?

That's a good question. I don't excuse nor accept any of it. I'm glad I'm not the one making those decisions. I am intolerant towards suicide as any kind of answer and whether I understand or am ignorant doesn't make me an idiot, moron or horrible person.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Literature

Is that really what our only options are, here? I had an uncle commit suicide two years ago, and although I don't "accept" it, I know that in the last days, he was not the same person I had grown up knowing. He was not himself.

I had an aunt commit suicide, an aunt who I didn't know very well. It didn't impact me much, but she left young children behind, and I saw how it impacted them, for a long, long time. She wasn't looney either, just stressed and depressed. I imagine she either had no idea how it'd impact her family, or didn't care. I admit that incident informed my opinion on seemingly senseless suicide years later, but I don't apologize for it, and I believe I'm right. It is an unbelievably selfish, destructive act, and I've got no patience for it. If you aren't utterly crazy or in pain, then people who kill themselves, especially if they leave behind a family, do not deserve to be remembered fondly, at all.

The academic research also backs up the idea that the thought of suicide is very temporary and fleeting. People who try regret their attempt, so that tells me, aside from the people in pain ready for Kevorkian, are weak-willed and or ego-driven.

Originally Posted by splatbass

Are you really comparing pedophiles with the depressed? JFC you are dumb.

You just don't understand. You might as well shoot yourself in the head.

[wazu]

Here's why I see both sides. I have had a couple of moments in my life where I got to a point where I could see the value in ending it all. I never took it any farther. I couldn't conceive of the pain it would cause for others. But it gave me a glimpse of why some people do it, and my thought was that if I magnified that feeling a few times, my caring about how others felt might be overwhelmed by a desire to just make it all stop, immediately and permanently. No more pain, at least for me. That may be selfish, but it isn't malicious.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by Phobia

Sorry for the loss of your uncle. I'm not about to smear your nose in his death. Enough said.

I didn't mean to end the discussion, which I think is an important one to have. I only meant to say that I didn't feel I had to either curse my uncle as being a selfish person, nor did I have to think suicide was okay or acceptable way of ending a problem.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Phobia

You just don't understand. You might as well shoot yourself in the head.

Go **** yourself. With an AIDS tree.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by Phobia

That's a good question. I don't excuse nor accept any of it. I'm glad I'm not the one making those decisions. I am intolerant towards suicide as any kind of answer and whether I understand or am ignorant doesn't make me an idiot, moron or horrible person.

I agree, he is just an intolerable ass because he knows and anyone else that does not agree with him is dumb. I mean, he gets to decide what mental illnesses are foregivable.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Why? Just imagine what your family hasto deal with in your mental problems in being a pedo.

I feel for you, but you are too stupid to argue with. Peace.

Originally Posted by Literature

I didn't mean to end the discussion, which I think is an important one to have. I only meant to say that I didn't feel I had to either curse my uncle as being a selfish person, nor did I have to think suicide was okay or acceptable way of ending a problem.

That's probably a healthy place for you to be in grief. Stay there.