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Old 06-30-2007, 09:50 PM   Topic Starter
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Evander Holyfield

just watched his fight since i have a stream tv account. last time i seen a fight of his, he looked hell of slow and was having horrible slurred speech. Well, during todays fight, the guy was fairly sharp and beat the living shit out of Lou Savarse. Now they are interviewing him and he all of a sudden has NO slurred speech whatsoever. I dunno what to think.
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Old 06-30-2007, 09:52 PM   #2
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Old 06-30-2007, 09:53 PM   #3
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Yes, he was. I loved his fights. I just dont know how he can all of a sudden have no slurred speech. I have never seen it. He was talking all nice and clear. He has a little homeboy accent haha, but he was talking clear.
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:17 PM   #4
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Yes, he was. I loved his fights. I just dont know how he can all of a sudden have no slurred speech.
Speech therapy?

Or brain surgery?
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:20 PM   #5
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Yes, he was. I loved his fights.
IMO, there really hasn't been a a really good heavyweight since Larry Holmes, who is historically underrated, IMO.
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:36 PM   #6
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IMO, there really hasn't been a a really good heavyweight since Larry Holmes, who is historically underrated, IMO.
Hehe, well, i dont agree with that. Holyfield was just awesome, the dude has incredible heart.

The slurred speech thing still boggles me. I dont think speech therapy or brain surgery has anything to do with it. He was half scrambled eggs already lol
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:39 PM   #7
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IMO, there really hasn't been a a really good heavyweight since Larry Holmes, who is historically underrated, IMO.
I dislike Mike Tyson significantly but dude dominated everybody for a long time. You really think the competition was so poor that he doesn't get mention as "really good"?
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:42 PM   #8
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I dislike Mike Tyson significantly but dude dominated everybody for a long time. You really think the competition was so poor that he doesn't get mention as "really good"?
Who the hell did he beat?

And he lost to Buster Douglas at a time when he should have been in his prime.
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:46 PM   #9
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Who the hell did he beat?

And he lost to Buster Douglas at a time when he should have been in his prime.
He beat everybody. He didn't just beat them, he pummeled them. It was ridiculous. If you want to argue that he's not one of the all-time great heavyweights I'll condede the discussion. But he was at LEAST "really good".
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Old 06-30-2007, 11:18 PM   #10
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I dislike Mike Tyson significantly but dude dominated everybody for a long time. You really think the competition was so poor that he doesn't get mention as "really good"?
Sorry to disagree but he beat NO ONE. He only fought ONE fighter under the age of 30 as champion and lost. He avoided highly regarded and ranked young fighters such as Razor Ruddock, Michael Dokes, Bert Cooper and yes, Evander Holyfield. He was supposed to fight Holyfield twice before his incarceration but backed out both times.

He was a paper champion.

Larry Holmes, OTOH, defended the heavyweight title 19 times, the most since Joe Louis. He did fight everyone - from Ken Norton to Ernie Shavers to Ossie Ocasio, Mike Weaver, Michael Dokes, Pinklon Thomas and on and on and on. At one point, he was fighting one a month! That hadn't been done since the 1940's!

Mike Tyson wouldn't have lasted against the likes of Holmes, Shavers, Weaver and especially, Ken Norton. Hell, Tyson couldn't beat Buster Douglas.
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Old 07-01-2007, 07:16 AM   #11
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:45 PM   #13
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I think Tyson was really good, but he seriously lost focus and started partying to much i think. Also his trainer who was like a dad to him died and he was never the same.
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Old 06-30-2007, 11:21 PM   #14
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He fought and beat Razor Ruddick 2 times. Awesome fights too.
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Old 07-01-2007, 12:08 AM   #15
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He fought and beat Razor Ruddick 2 times. Awesome fights too.
Those fights were after he lost his title and the first fight ended in massive controversy. The second fight was a very close but it was obvious that the Razor Ruddock of the early 1990's wasn't the same as the Razor Ruddock of 1988. After the Tyson fights, Ruddock was knocked out by both Lennox Lewis and then, Tommy Morrison.

Something that Mike Tyson couldn't do.
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