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Old 03-05-2013, 11:03 AM  
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The Chiefs are taking Geno #1; bank on it

Andy loves him some QBs. And KC has been a bottomless pit of QB suckage. While folks initially freaked out over the ASmith signing (me included), once they locked up Bowe and Albert, it seemed pretty clear that Geno will be the choice at #1.

People say you don't draft a QB #1 to sit on the bench, the first pick of the draft isn't a backup QB. They are right. They say ASmith will be the starter, especially given his compensation. They are right. Ummm, does that mean that Geno is being groomed for a year or two behind Alex? Not necessarily.

What? That is nonsense!

Only in the traditional sense.

I think Reid and Dorsey are thinking waaay outside the box on this one.

If (when) the Chiefs draft Geno, the whole idea of a "backup" QB will be shook up. "Backup" will be a matter of semantics. "Starting" will be a matter of semantics as well.

Reid and Dorsey both see the need for 2 "starting caliber" QBs on a team in today's NFL. San Fran proved beyond a shadow of a doubt last year that it really pays to have 2 QBs on your team who can start for you.

If one "starting caliber" QB goes down, you have another "starting caliber" QB ready to be plugged in and the team doesn't miss a beat.

It has been repeated ad nauseum on this board that the QB is the most important position in all of football. When you have an offense that is predicated on throwing the football 40+ times a game, you can't afford to have a dropoff in productivity should one of your QBs goes down for a time, otherwise your season is effectively over.

Reid and Dorsey get this.

As fans, especially Cheifs fans, we need to rethink our conceptions of "backup" and "starting" and realizing we are entering an era of "starting caliber" QBs.

We are being built to win.

We are being built to win even in the face of adverse contingencies.

We are going to win.

And I like it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 10:57 PM   #346
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Oh boy the grammar police. **** off dickbag. Still either way thanks for helping prove my point they didn't get both of those players in the same draft/offseason.
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Also Trubisky completely soured me during his Bowl game. Do not want. As for Mahomes, i would be shocked if a good QB ever came out of that school. The best TTU QB of all time (in NFL terms) is Billy Joe ****ing Tolliver.

One thing about Kizer: I think Notre Dame was so much of a shitshow, overrated program that he could have some untapped potential in a more stable environment. I like his talent the most out of all these guys.
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Old 03-05-2013, 10:59 PM   #347
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No, I do not agree.

With Joe Thomas and Will Shields, there's always hope that a real Franchise QB will be acquired. The protection will be solid.

With Chad Pennington, a franchise could spend the better part of a decade watching elite and near elite players come and go, as Pennington continues to offer false hope to the front office, ownership and most importantly, fans.
So, you'd be fine taking Warmack. Good to know.
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Old 03-05-2013, 10:59 PM   #348
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No, I do not agree.

With Joe Thomas and Will Shields, there's always hope that a real Franchise QB will be acquired. The protection will be solid.

With Chad Pennington, a franchise could spend the better part of a decade watching elite and near elite players come and go, as Pennington continues to offer false hope to the front office, ownership and most importantly, fans.
Sure.

Lets hope we don't make that mistake with Alex Smith.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:05 PM   #349
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If we re-draft 2005, Rodgers goes first overall.

NO QUESTION.

If we re-draft 2011, does Kaepernick go first overall?

What are the top three picks of 2012, if we re-draft it today?
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:06 PM   #350
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So, you'd be fine taking Warmack. Good to know.
Yeah, because that's exactly what I said.

Can you come up with anymore crazy scenarios for me to approve or disapprove?

Maybe the Chiefs take Lennay Kukua at #1 and Manti Te'o in the third?
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Also Trubisky completely soured me during his Bowl game. Do not want. As for Mahomes, i would be shocked if a good QB ever came out of that school. The best TTU QB of all time (in NFL terms) is Billy Joe ****ing Tolliver.

One thing about Kizer: I think Notre Dame was so much of a shitshow, overrated program that he could have some untapped potential in a more stable environment. I like his talent the most out of all these guys.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:13 PM   #351
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Yeah, because that's exactly what I said.

Can you come up with anymore crazy scenarios for me to approve or disapprove?

Maybe the Chiefs take Lennay Kukua at #1 and Manti Te'o in the third?
You'd rather have Will Shields over Chad Pennington, right?

I completely disagree.

If all the players in this class aren't worth the top pick, you pick the best quarterback you can and utilize your quarterback developing talents to the best of their abilities.

Pennington would be the best quarterback we've had in some time.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:17 PM   #352
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You'd rather have Will Shields over Chad Pennington, right?

I completely disagree.

If all the players in this class aren't worth the top pick, you pick the best quarterback you can and utilize your quarterback developing talents to the best of their abilities.
Are you asking if someone would take a HOF'er over a QB who never even broke a 77 rating?

Are you being serious when you ask?
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:17 PM   #353
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You'd rather have Will Shields over Chad Pennington, right?

I completely disagree.
Abso****inglutely.

We know what each player became: One, a Hall of Famer. The other, an often injured QB that never won shit for two teams.

I can't believe that you'd rather be teased for the better part of a decade than have a spectacular player in place for more than a decade.

Your train of thought is absolutely baffling.
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Also Trubisky completely soured me during his Bowl game. Do not want. As for Mahomes, i would be shocked if a good QB ever came out of that school. The best TTU QB of all time (in NFL terms) is Billy Joe ****ing Tolliver.

One thing about Kizer: I think Notre Dame was so much of a shitshow, overrated program that he could have some untapped potential in a more stable environment. I like his talent the most out of all these guys.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:19 PM   #354
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I'll take the HOF guard and keep looking for a QB.

Christ man, I get how the franchise is/has been with QB's. They'd get a guy and stop looking. These guys aren't going to settle with Alex Smith if he doesn't prove something first.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:26 PM   #355
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what stuns me, is that there are people here it seems that would take Geno Smith first, if he was in last years draft
I hope Kaepernick breaks his neck and Scott Tolzein pulls a "just good enough" act long enough to prevent the 49ers from drafting an elite QB ever again.

Also, I hope you die of AIDS.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:28 PM   #356
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I'll take the HOF guard and keep looking for a QB.

Christ man, I get how the franchise is/has been with QB's. They'd get a guy and stop looking. These guys aren't going to settle with Alex Smith if he doesn't prove something first.
Our last HOF guard never won a playoff game in his career.

Keep looking for the QB, even if the options are expensive and negligible. If/when you find one, your team will actually win meaningful games.

The HOF guard won't get you shit.
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Our last HOF guard never won a playoff game in his career.

Keep looking for the QB, even if the options are expensive and negligible. If/when you find one, your team will actually win meaningful games.

The HOF guard won't get you shit.
This is somewhat of a weak argument, in taht just because we had a HOF guard and didn't win a playoff game, we shouldn't take and/or try to get another one.


You can have both.
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HOF LT + HOF guard = at least one playoff win, right?

I hope Goodell bans the offensive line from football. Give QBs 3 seconds after the snap then let pass rushers go after him. At least Chiefs fans would then be forced to stop being so ****ing retarded about the goddamn offensive line.
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I'll take the HOF guard and keep looking for a QB.

Christ man, I get how the franchise is/has been with QB's. They'd get a guy and stop looking. These guys aren't going to settle with Alex Smith if he doesn't prove something first.
How the **** are going to "win now" with Alex ****-o Smith, attaining that HIGHLY coveted 7-9 CHIEF FAN wet dream, and be in a position to take the premium QB pick when he rolls round the bend as Kiper and Company are sucking his magnificent dick??? Do you see KC going Full-Redskins??? THIS franchise????? Lololololololno.
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This is somewhat of a weak argument, in taht just because we had a HOF guard and didn't win a playoff game, we shouldn't take and/or try to get another one.


You can have both.
You can have both, sure.

IF THE HOF GUARD HAS A QB.
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