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Old 08-17-2018, 06:39 PM  
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Sutton's Defense Won't Dictate Or Attack

His defense lacks any sense of toughness and attack. He doesn't dictate anything. When he blitzes he blitzes to blitz and not to dictate what the ofense can and cannot do.

Take Wade Phillips on the other hand. The guy instantly upgrades any defense he coaches regardless of talent. Why? Because he has a defense that dictactes what an offense must do. Not sit back trying to defend against any and everything possible.

Preseason or not, toughness and an attacking mentality are something that shows regardless. Sutton's defenses are soft, reactionary and undisciplined.

How this guy still has a job bogles the minds of most. But I am afraid what we've seen the last few years is what we will see again. Minimal attack, dependency on a turnover. Lots of time on the field defensively.
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Old 08-18-2018, 03:19 PM   #136
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Eh, I'm never comfortable with defenses that give up lots of yards.

Exceptional opposition will turn those yards into points.
Even when it doesn't turn into points, allowing those long sustained drives is eating up clock and keeping our offense off the field.
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Old 08-18-2018, 03:20 PM   #137
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Ok, 34 is McQuay.

He actually hawks down the ball carrier from the opposite side of the field on the second long gain as well.
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Old 08-18-2018, 04:51 PM   #138
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Bend but don't break can look a lot better if the front seven can stop the run without help. Or the OLBs have a big year. I don't see the secondary making the improvement.
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Old 08-18-2018, 05:02 PM   #139
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Yes, the starters on defense are Chris Jones, a declining Houston, Berry who's a question mark at this point... and a JAG collection. And the backups to the JAG collection look even thinner.

As far as getting younger and better goes, there will probably not be any rookies starting on either side of the ball, or getting significant playing time barring injury. It's not an especially young team overall.

We're running out more or less the same formula this year as last year, minus Peters, plus Mahomes. While that will be a lot more entertaining, it probably isn't going to translate to results.
Guys on the Chiefs defense who would start for 90% of the teams in the NFL: Houston, Berry, Ragland, Hitchens, Jones, and Fuller.

JAG collection.
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Old 08-18-2018, 05:03 PM   #140
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Goddamn Eligwe. All the blocks were taken up and the guy had every opportunity to get there and stop that run for 2-3 yards. He hesitated and then ran into his own freaking guy.

Jarvis Jenkins got owned losing leverage, and got driven into the ground.
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Old 08-18-2018, 05:06 PM   #141
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Ford did a horrible job of setting the edge as well.

I'm afraid he just lacks the strength to ever be a solid run defender. On that play, you can see he's so overwhelmed, he focuses 100% on the blocker, ignoring the ball carrier entirely in the process.

Houston disengages as the RB approaches the hole and squeezes inside to stop that play for a 1-2 yard gain.
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:36 PM   #142
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Denver has been one of the best in yards allowed and KC one of the worst. How the hell are the stats similar?

Low PPG is nice and all, but sucking between the 20s is not ideal.
Absolutely false.

The 2014 and 2015 Chiefs defenses finished 7th in yards allowed. Let's at least be honest here.
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:38 PM   #143
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The voice of reason...yes.
But, Sutton d has always been middle of the road
It absolutely has not.

Why is it necessary to make stuff up to support an argument?

His 2014 and 2015 defenses were near tops in the league. Last year's defense was awful. None of his defenses have been "middle of the road". Not one.
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:40 PM   #144
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Eh, I'm never comfortable with defenses that give up lots of yards.

Exceptional opposition will turn those yards into points.
Except that those 2014 and 2015 defenses that were 2nd and 3rd in points respectively were both 7th in yards. People are stuck on and completely consumed by last year.
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:41 PM   #145
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This is why you trust "your football eyes" and what you see and especially IF you have played the game. You can tell by some on this board who has played and who has not.
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:44 PM   #146
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How have any of Sutton’s defenses done when it really matters?


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Old 08-18-2018, 09:50 PM   #147
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How have any of Sutton’s defenses done when it really matters?


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Has Andy Reid's offense done it when it really matters? There's plenty of blame to go around.
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:51 PM   #148
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Has Andy Reid's offense done it when it really matters? There's plenty of blame to go around.
No argument here.
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Old 08-19-2018, 01:04 AM   #149
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Just curious what others think: When you look at the defensive rosters of other teams that did so much better than the Chiefs in 2017, do you see a huge disparity in the talent level?

How would have the Vikings' defense ranked last year if Sutton was coaching it? Or Pittsburgh, if you want a top five 3-4 defense. I'm still floored by the difference between how Houston was used compared to similar players last year and before:

"Houston rushed the quarterback on 77 percent of his pass plays last season, when he had 9.5 sacks. His career percentage is 72 percent. As comparisons, Denver's Von Miller rushed the passer 93.3 percent of the time last season and 82.5 percent in his career. Oakland's Khalil Mack went after the QB 95.1 percent of the snaps last season and 89.3 percent of the time in his career."

http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/24767/chiefs-plan-for-justin-houston-to-rekindle-his-22-sack-season
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Old 08-19-2018, 01:36 AM   #150
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Except that those 2014 and 2015 defenses that were 2nd and 3rd in points respectively were both 7th in yards. People are stuck on and completely consumed by last year.
So are you happy with the current state of the defense? Were you happy with Reid's decision to keep Sutton?
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