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Old 11-11-2019, 09:21 AM  
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Is it time to move on from Toub?
The Chiefs special teams have been one of the best in the NFL over the past few years, but this year they have been as bad as I can remember in a while. Is it time to move on from Dave Toub or is this on the players? Both? I know there really isn't a lot that can be done right now and I'm not sure firing Toub in the middle of the season is the right decision either. But I think there needs to be a change made in the off season.

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Old 11-11-2019, 06:57 PM   #31
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Changing snap count is on Colquitt not on Toub.
Is it? If I'm ST Coordinator, I'm reminding the entire kicking unit that the snap count needs be different. And I'm damn sure telling my punt returner NOT to catch a punt inside the 5 yd line AGAIN. Yeah players have accountability... but so do coaches.
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Old 11-11-2019, 07:08 PM   #32
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Is it? If I'm ST Coordinator, I'm reminding the entire kicking unit that the snap count needs be different. And I'm damn sure telling my punt returner NOT to catch a punt inside the 5 yd line AGAIN. Yeah players have accountability... but so do coaches.
Do veteran QBs have to be told by the OC to change or go to a hard count? No they know to change it up. They know that they might get someone to jump.
If you think they have not told him that then your thinking is wrong. I am sure that has been told to him time and time again. And before you say well then you take him out the question becomes who you putting back there because it is not going to be Hill? The ultimate answer is a lesser player. People are already calling for Toubs' job. It would only be worse with lesser talent.
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Old 11-11-2019, 08:59 PM   #33
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Do veteran QBs have to be told by the OC to change or go to a hard count? No they know to change it up. They know that they might get someone to jump.
If you think they have not told him that then your thinking is wrong. I am sure that has been told to him time and time again. And before you say well then you take him out the question becomes who you putting back there because it is not going to be Hill? The ultimate answer is a lesser player. People are already calling for Toubs' job. It would only be worse with lesser talent.

Oh really? So you were in on those conversations? Did you see Toub talking to Hardman AFTER the last time he caught it inside the 5? That conversation should have happened right before Hardman went out on the field...not after or just in practice. Hardman obviously needs coached up in situational awareness. I'm not advocating for Toub to be fired. But he needs to step it up as a coach, not just a coordinator. And the ST players need to know that their employment depends on their performance.
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Old 11-11-2019, 08:59 PM   #34
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:39 PM   #35
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Someone explain a snap count on a FG?

I thought the long snapper snapped as soon as the holder turned his head? I thought the botched hold was from a kinda-turn-not-turn.

So from the titan quote there clearly is a FG snap count, but also a head turn. How do those work together?
I think it's a combination of the head turn and a silent count. I'm pretty sure the LS has a verbal to the protection as he snaps it. But if you use head turn, one thousand one, one thousand two every freaking time, the guys on the ends are going to get a jump. Try snapping on one thousand three once in awhile.
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Old 11-12-2019, 03:08 AM   #36
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Chiefs returns average 22 yards/return. I haven't checked, but I'd bet real money that that is among the best in the league.

"Oh, we haven't scored a TD on a return this year!" Shut the hell up. That's not a thing. Spoiled idiots. We scored a lot on punt/kick returns BECAUSE WE'VE HAD GREAT COACHING ON SPECIAL TEAMS, DIPSTICKS.

While it's nice to score on a return, NO ONE IN THE LEAGUE ACTUALLY EXPECTS THAT. You want decent field position. Period.

Most of the time, that's what we get, which is all we should expect.
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Old 11-12-2019, 03:34 AM   #37
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I think it's a combination of the head turn and a silent count. I'm pretty sure the LS has a verbal to the protection as he snaps it. But if you use head turn, one thousand one, one thousand two every freaking time, the guys on the ends are going to get a jump. Try snapping on one thousand three once in awhile.
Yep: attention to detail and situational awareness. This last game, Special Teams seemed to be lacking both from key players & coaches. I'm hoping this served as a "wake-up" call for Toub & the players. No more missed extra points, botched/blocked field goals and FEWER penalties. Faiders play the Bengals on Sunday, at home. Chiefs really need to find a way to beat the Dolts on Monday night. All hands on deck.
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Old 11-13-2019, 11:13 PM   #38
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Chiefs returns average 22 yards/return. I haven't checked, but I'd bet real money that that is among the best in the league.
Is that on a kickoff return? If you field it 3 yards deep in the endzone that makes the return to the 19 barring a stupid penalty. Wouldn't it be better just to take the ball at 25? I'm pretty old school with my math but I believe the 25 is better than the 19.
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Chiefs were 9th in special teams DVOA going into yesterday's game. You're pointing fingers at the wrong unit.
Ignoring that stat, do they really pass the eye test to you? Cause that stat shocks be because if the chiefs are 9th, then there must be some shit ass special teams out there cause we are ****ing bad IMO.
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Ignoring that stat, do they really pass the eye test to you? Cause that stat shocks be because if the chiefs are 9th, then there must be some shit ass special teams out there cause we are ****ing bad IMO.
THIS! Trust your own eyes. The DVOA on the Chiefs Deturds was 11th going into the Titans game. Did THAT unit Sunday look like the 11th ranked defense to anyone???
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You morons realize it's still a top 10 rated unit right???

The NFL has neutered returns and will punish you with flags for even attempting one anymore...
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