Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 531

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**DeezNutz** · 07-29-2013, 01:36 PM

There is no value in being .500. A "culture of winning" is created by talent. Anything else is fantasy.

siberian khatru · 07-29-2013, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

Other than hoping for a Santana one year deal (which he already said he would be open to).....what did you disagree with?

Where did Santana say he'd be open to signing a one-year deal? All I've seen is that he's open to signing with the Royals, and that he'd be open to signing with them even if he's traded this year.

BigCatDaddy · 07-29-2013, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

Other than hoping for a Santana one year deal (which he already said he would be open to).....what did you disagree with?

Not parting with Ventura for a possible 2.5 year fun with Kendrick at 2b.

Where did you see Santana said he would take a 1 year deal?

Prison Bitch · 07-29-2013, 01:41 PM

It's funny that the first time in a decade we're in any form of contention, some fans are yelling "Sell!" anyway. Weird. I guess they like Dayton's 10-year plan.

ChiefsCountry · 07-29-2013, 01:42 PM

Ventura and other pieces for Kendrick would be worth it.

**DeezNutz** · 07-29-2013, 01:45 PM

Keeping Santana doesn't make a lot of sense if you believe the odds facing the Royals to make the playoffs. The right move is to trade him, but this would take a lot of guts from Moore (and confidence in job security).

Bottom line: It all goes back to the Myers trade. Dude was moved to "win now," and now Moore must double down on this strategy, logic be damned.

DJJasonp · 07-29-2013, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Not parting with Ventura for a possible 2.5 year fun with Kendrick at 2b.

Where did you see Santana said he would take a 1 year deal?

I heard it on royals broadcast....but as others have posted the same question as you, maybe I misunderstood the quote.

Either way, I wouldn't give up Ventura for Kendrick. Kendrick in his career averages around 10 HR and 55 RBI per season.

BigCatDaddy · 07-29-2013, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

It's funny that the first time in a decade we're in any form of contention, some fans are yelling "Sell!" anyway. Weird. I guess they like Dayton's 10-year plan.

Power hitting RF prospects/ Trade!

5'6 150lb SP prospects/ Can't part with!

**alnorth** · 07-29-2013, 01:48 PM

There's no way in hell Santana signs a 1-year deal. After this season, he'll be getting a lot of multi-year offers. It'll probably have to be at least 3 years, maybe 4.

**DeezNutz** · 07-29-2013, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

I heard it on royals broadcast....but as others have posted the same question as you, maybe I misunderstood the quote.

Either way, I wouldn't give up Ventura for Kendrick. Kendrick in his career averages around 10 HR and 55 RBI per season.

We should care about RBIs why? The above measures do nothing to evaluate the overall worth of a 2B.

BigCatDaddy · 07-29-2013, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

I heard it on royals broadcast....but as others have posted the same question as you, maybe I misunderstood the quote.

Either way, I wouldn't give up Ventura for Kendrick. Kendrick in his career averages around 10 HR and 55 RBI per season.

Right. I highly doubt he risk losing 40 million dollars on a 1 year deal.

ChiefsCountry · 07-29-2013, 01:50 PM

10 home runs a year for a second basemen puts him in the top 15 second basemen about every year.

WhawhaWhat · 07-29-2013, 01:50 PM

Got this from mlbtraderumors.com

Quote:

2:27pm: The Orioles have always been willing to consider trading Dylan Bundy and other top prospects, writes Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun. During the offseason, they kicked around a Bundy-Wil Myers swap, he adds. However, the Orioles would have to be overwhelmed to deal their top prospects, and the available veterans on the trade market wouldn't come close.

Prison Bitch · 07-29-2013, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

I heard it on royals broadcast....but as others have posted the same question as you, maybe I misunderstood the quote.

Either way, I wouldn't give up Ventura for Kendrick. Kendrick in his career averages around 10 HR and 55 RBI per season.

He's a 4.0 WAR player. /end argument

BigCatDaddy · 07-29-2013, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

I heard it on royals broadcast....but as others have posted the same question as you, maybe I misunderstood the quote.

Either way, I wouldn't give up Ventura for Kendrick. Kendrick in his career averages around 10 HR and 55 RBI per season.

Did you happen to notice in those "avgs" he has some seasons where he played less than 100 games figured in?

Since he became a FT player he will likely give you 290 15HR and about 70RBI and play an above avg 2nd base.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1840308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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