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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 06-27-2013, 07:36 PM   #4591
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Yeah, I agree 100%. I couldn't tell you details of a fight I was in including how many times I was hit or hit the guy. Zimmerman probably is trying his best to give what he thinks happened so likely he is way off on details, but not intentionally.
I have been in my fair share in andthe out ofI the ring and details are sketchy at best. However once it is over at least in my case my recollection is much sharper. I can see the fight being hard to nail down blow for blow but the events after the gun went off and the fight was over shouldn't be that fuzzy IMO~
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I can't see how someone doesn't see that when you have adrenaline running through your body and you are fearing for your life you tend to not remember exact details. When you have scary shit happening to you it is save your ass or die. Nothing else is going through your head unless you have been well prepared for it. Even then it is iffy if you will remember things.

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Ok then. So why believe anything he says? Why believe he had his head bashed into the concrete like he says?

You can't say that we should believe his account of events, and then go on to say that he doesn't remember things exactly how they happened. Can't have it both ways.
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Old 06-27-2013, 07:40 PM   #4593
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So you are saying he didn't say "He was on top of me like this." and that he did not bend his knees while standing without kneeling down? Simple question. Yes or no?
When did he ever kneel down though? The whole thing was from a standing angle so him slightly bending his knees represents Martin sitting up.

If he had been on his knees to begin with then stood up, then yeah you would be right, but he wasn't.

And by the way, doesn't the whole "he was on top of me" part cancel out any notion that he walked away? Either Martin was on top of him, or he was up walking. Can't be both.
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I saw that. She had to come off as a complete clod.
Sadly, Barbara Billingsley was unavailable to translate it for her.
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Old 06-27-2013, 07:43 PM   #4595
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You dipshit. This just got explained twice. Quit waiving your ****ing Martin flag like some cheerleader and be objective. Pulling shit like that is how we get stupid shit like the OP.
I am being objective, dipshittier. I get that he could have lost details in the fight, but his story leading up to the fight is embellished bullshit therefore there's no reason to believe he unintentionally lost the details of the fight itself.
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I have been in my fair share in andthe out ofI the ring and details are sketchy at best. However once it is over at least in my case my recollection is much sharper. I can see the fight being hard to nail down blow for blow but the events after the gun went off and the fight was over shouldn't be that fuzzy IMO~
I know I've said shit during fights that friends told me I said later that I didn't even remember saying. Being you are a trained fighter I doubt you had the adrenaline flowing like someone out of their element. If you asked me how many feet I was from a certain location or anything like that I'd have no ****ing clue.
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Old 06-27-2013, 07:48 PM   #4597
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I know I've said shit during fights that friends told me I said later that I didn't even remember saying. Being you are a trained fighter I doubt you had the adrenaline flowing like someone out of their element. If you asked me how many feet I was from a certain location or anything like that I'd have no ****ing clue.
Yeah, and Z just happens to remember everything Martin said and only remembers saying sheepish things in return, yeah...right.
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I am being objective, dipshittier. I get that he could have lost details in the fight, but his story leading up to the fight is embellished bullshit therefore there's no reason to believe he unintentionally lost the details of the fight itself.
Yeah you, Knowmo, and ChiefsandO's, the most objective guys on the board obviously
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From what I've read or listened to so far, nothing is close to 'without a reasonable doubt'.
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Yeah you, Knowmo, and ChiefsandO's, the most objective guys on the board obviously
Better than being a gullible idiot who takes what someone says at face value after they shot a guy.
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Yeah, and Z just happens to remember everything Martin said and only remembers saying sheepish things in return, yeah...right.
More of that awesome objectivity. I would ask if you have Trayvon tattooed on your dick, but I'm guessing there isn't enough room for all of those letters.
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More of that awesome objectivity. I would ask if you have Trayvon tattooed on your dick, but I'm guessing there isn't enough room for all of those letters.
So do you believe Zimmerman's story 100% or not?
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I can't see how someone doesn't see that when you have adrenaline running through your body and you are fearing for your life you tend to not remember exact details. When you have scary shit happening to you it is save your ass or die. Nothing else is going through your head unless you have been well prepared for it. Even then it is iffy if you will remember things.

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That's why the army and marines make you go through shit like getting live rounds flying over your head and crawling through pig guts. So you're not in total shock when it happens.

Neither of these guys had any idea of the situation they were putting themselves into.

Media hype. It's the same way incompetent government officials get elected. Hopefully free thinkers rule the world next generation.
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Yeah, and Z just happens to remember everything Martin said and only remembers saying sheepish things in return, yeah...right.
This. Dude remembers what was said DURING the fight and exactly what Martin did DURING the fight, but all of a sudden he can't remember Martin walking off after he shot him? And he can't remember where the fight took place?
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So do you believe Zimmerman's story 100% or not?
No. Eye witness testimony not reliable in a normal situation, so why would someone's testimony be reliable if they were under duress and being attacked? So either way they need to go by some other evidence that what he recalls or thinks he recalls. They will need to rely on forensics to convict him and it's just not there. It's a shitty situation that has no business being a murder trial.
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