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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 07-14-2013, 12:50 PM   #6061
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Just curious, not saying its untrue, but where has this been verified other than Zimmerman saying it?
The description the neighbors gave of the suspects breaking into the homes were identified as black youths
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Old 07-14-2013, 12:54 PM   #6062
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stand your ground doesn't work out so well for black people

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Already posted in here and commented on. As I recall no one agreed with that either.
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:04 PM   #6063
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He racially profiled a kid who was walking. Zimmerman had no other reason to stop him other than his race.
Based on facts known to date, he did not just racially profile a kid....he said he looked like he was up to no good due to looking in windows and how he was walking in the rain etc. So it was behavior. He was also a male and a youth ( just not a child) and the other break-ins were committed by male youths. ( not all were black as I understand too. Just more of them were.)
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:06 PM   #6064
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It wasn't just that they were black but also male and youths. So age and gender were involved....as well as how Trayvon was acting to Z. He reported his behavior as being suspicious. He didn't even identify T as black to the dispatcher until asked too.
No disagreement on that. Whether it was intentional or unintentional he did racially profile Trayvon IMHO. Not that there was anything wrong with that, everybody does it to some degree even to their own race, like me.

For example I don't let my GF walk our dog alone in the evenings anymore even though we live in a safe town\neighborhood. The reason why is because lately there has been some white trash meth looking people moved in a block or so away and they look like they are up to no good.
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:06 PM   #6065
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FTR, Zimmerman was/is an idiot....now, having said that....I haven't read much in here about this, but the one point you seem to be ignoring is....

black kid doubles back and kicks Zimmermans ass. Zimmernan while on his back getting pummeled....which to many of us is what justified Z's "self-defense."

Regardless of what lead up to that, why do you insist on ignoring that part? Z was clearly an idiot to escalate it, with the stalking; but when Martin escalated it further, was Z just supposed to take his ass kicking or worse? Was he NOT supposed to fight back?

Serious question....thanks in advance, for your consideration.
The self defense claim is a slam dunk. Of course he had to defend himself.

The question is, what would have happened if Zimmerman called the cops and stayed in the car? I am guessing two lives would be far better today if that happened.
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:08 PM   #6066
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Say what you will, Gravedigger, but the fact of the matter is that a jury found insufficient evidence to convict.

And I have no reason to believe that any of those women had any ulterior motives to rule that way.
I know, I said George Zimmerman may not have been guilty of manslaughter because he was defending himself. But letting him off scott free, and now he's suing a news organization for defamation... this guy's got some serious balls on him, like O.J. "If I had done it..." sized balls. This man should be guilty of something, manslaughter was the wrong charge, but people are calling for a civil rights charge now, which I think would've been more in line. I'm not disagreeing with the decision by the jury, they were there, I was not, but in the end this seems just a shame because in the end a boy is dead and the man who did it is able to just walk free. Civilian justice will catch up to him I have a feeling, and that will be his punishment when it does. Personally I'd GTFO like Snowden if I were him.
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No disagreement on that. Whether it was intentional or unintentional he did racially profile Trayvon IMHO. Not that there was anything wrong with that, everybody does it to some degree even to their own race, like me.

For example I don't let my GF walk our dog alone in the evenings anymore even though we live in a safe town\neighborhood. The reason why is because lately there has been some white trash meth looking people moved in a block or so away and they look like they are up to no good.
I'm not sure you have to add "race" to that.. it's just PROFILING. We really have ZERO clue if race played a factor in Zimmerman's mind. It's likely... but that is pure conjecture.
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:17 PM   #6068
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I'm not sure you have to add "race" to that.. it's just PROFILING. We really have ZERO clue if race played a factor in Zimmerman's mind. It's likely... but that is pure conjecture.
It is just common sense IMO. Do you think if a white kid was walking back he would have called the cops and pursued?
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It is just common sense IMO. Do you think if a white kid was walking back he would have called the cops and pursued?
Perhaps, but I asked if we KNEW that Zimmerman profiled Martin because of the color of his skin. It appears that we don't for sure.
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:20 PM   #6070
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I know, I said George Zimmerman may not have been guilty of manslaughter because he was defending himself. But letting him off scott free, ...

He was let off based on the charges brought on him. Our criminal system doesn't work they way you seem to think or want. By that I mean, to try to do something to fix a tragedy. It's not a social clinic.


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...and now he's suing a news organization for defamation... this guy's got some serious balls on him, like O.J. "If I had done it..." sized balls. This man should be guilty of something, manslaughter was the wrong charge, but people are calling for a civil rights charge now, which I think would've been more in line.

Seriously? I am researching this civil rights charge and even that has a high barrier to climb.

You want vengeance—not justice. Zimmerman's life has already been ruined. Isn't that enough for you higher than thou self-righteous race hustlers? Gawd, you're like communists wanting a kangaroo court instead.


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I'm not disagreeing with the decision by the jury, they were there, I was not, but in the end this seems just a shame because in the end a boy is dead and the man who did it is able to just walk free.
Your premise is entirely wrong. Juan Williams was using this and Judge Jeannine cut him off as being completely in the wrong with no understanding of the criminal justice system.

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Civilian justice will catch up to him I have a feeling, and that will be his punishment when it does. Personally I'd GTFO like Snowden if I were him.
Martin's family can file a wrongful death civil suit if they want. That's the way to go since it relies on just a preponderance of evidence to convict. That will still have to be proven as "wrongful" though.
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It is just common sense IMO. Do you think if a white kid was walking back he would have called the cops and pursued?
Why not?
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I know, I said George Zimmerman may not have been guilty of manslaughter because he was defending himself. But letting him off scott free, and now he's suing a news organization for defamation... this guy's got some serious balls on him, like O.J. "If I had done it..." sized balls. This man should be guilty of something, manslaughter was the wrong charge, but people are calling for a civil rights charge now, which I think would've been more in line. I'm not disagreeing with the decision by the jury, they were there, I was not, but in the end this seems just a shame because in the end a boy is dead and the man who did it is able to just walk free. Civilian justice will catch up to him I have a feeling, and that will be his punishment when it does. Personally I'd GTFO like Snowden if I were him.
Why should he be guilty of any kind of a crime?

This should be more of a liability issue, and I think it will be, and I think he's going to lose. I don't think he will get off "scott free"
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It is just common sense IMO. Do you think if a white kid was walking back he would have called the cops and pursued?
A few of of those break-ins were not committed by blacks though. Zimmerman reported his behavior as being suspect. If a white kid was walking slowly in the rain checking out units and looking in windows, then yeah, I think Zimmerman would have called the cops on them too. It wasn't just because T was black, since he didn't even identify him as black at first. He had to be asked. It was because of what he appeared to be doing and then there's also white and male.

I put how racial profiling is defined in the thread calling for bringing civil rights charges against Z. It depends on how it's done and if it's used as the single factor.

I also found this: Offender Profiling which is considered a legitimate tool.

Furthermore, Z and his wife sponsored and helped blacks. Per what I read he took a black girl to his prom.
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A few of of those break-ins were not committed by blacks though. Zimmerman reported his behavior as being suspect. If a white kid was walking slowly in the rain checking out units and looking in windows, then yeah, I think Zimmerman would have called the cops on them too. It wasn't just because T was black, since he didn't even identify him as black at first. He had to be asked. It was because of what he appeared to be doing and then there's also white and male.

I put how racial profiling is defined in the thread calling for bringing civil rights charges against Z. It depends on how it's done and if it's used as the single factor.

I also found this: Offender Profiling which is considered a legitimate tool.

Furthermore, Z and his wife sponsored and helped blacks. Per what I read he took a black girl to his prom.
No, clearly this is a guy who is very racially sensitive:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...ns-on-myspace/

Between that and his long track record of calling 911 primarily on black people... there's enough to question whether he used race as a means for profiling. That being said, was he wrong to call the cops? I don't see any problem with calling the cops to report suspicious behavior, regardless of race.
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