Chiefs The Chiefs are taking Geno #1; bank on it - Page 25

Fat Elvis · 03-05-2013, 11:03 AM

Andy loves him some QBs. And KC has been a bottomless pit of QB suckage. While folks initially freaked out over the ASmith signing (me included), once they locked up Bowe and Albert, it seemed pretty clear that Geno will be the choice at #1.

People say you don't draft a QB #1 to sit on the bench, the first pick of the draft isn't a backup QB. They are right. They say ASmith will be the starter, especially given his compensation. They are right. Ummm, does that mean that Geno is being groomed for a year or two behind Alex? Not necessarily.

What? That is nonsense!

Only in the traditional sense.

I think Reid and Dorsey are thinking waaay outside the box on this one.

If (when) the Chiefs draft Geno, the whole idea of a "backup" QB will be shook up. "Backup" will be a matter of semantics. "Starting" will be a matter of semantics as well.

Reid and Dorsey both see the need for 2 "starting caliber" QBs on a team in today's NFL. San Fran proved beyond a shadow of a doubt last year that it really pays to have 2 QBs on your team who can start for you.

If one "starting caliber" QB goes down, you have another "starting caliber" QB ready to be plugged in and the team doesn't miss a beat.

It has been repeated ad nauseum on this board that the QB is the most important position in all of football. When you have an offense that is predicated on throwing the football 40+ times a game, you can't afford to have a dropoff in productivity should one of your QBs goes down for a time, otherwise your season is effectively over.

Reid and Dorsey get this.

As fans, especially Cheifs fans, we need to rethink our conceptions of "backup" and "starting" and realizing we are entering an era of "starting caliber" QBs.

We are being built to win.

We are being built to win even in the face of adverse contingencies.

We are going to win.

And I like it.

**Ming the Merciless** · 03-05-2013, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Our last HOF guard never won a playoff game in his career.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Logic BOMB

**BossChief** · 03-05-2013, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KCWolfman

Are you asking if someone would take a HOF'er over a QB who never even broke a 77 rating?

Are you being serious when you ask?

You are misinformed. Pennington had a career QB rating of over 90.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Abso****inglutely.

We know what each player became: One, a Hall of Famer. The other, an often injured QB that never won shit for two teams.

I can't believe that you'd rather be teased for the better part of a decade than have a spectacular player in place for more than a decade.

Your train of thought is absolutely baffling.

I'm not talking about Pennington with the injuries...injuries are a gamble. I'm talking player versus player.

FFS we have seen a team with an offensive line with three hall of farmers on it miss the playoffs.

When will this team and its fans learn?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-05-2013, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

HOF LT + HOF guard = at least one playoff win, right?

I hope Goodell bans the offensive line from football. Give QBs 3 seconds after the snap then let pass rushers go after him. At least Chiefs fans would then be forced to stop being so ****ing reeruned about the goddamn offensive line.

lol oh god....that just moves the focus to LB's. It's a no-win any way you slice it with these fools.
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**BossChief** · 03-05-2013, 11:34 PM

Dane...

Would you draft Chance Warmack over Matt Barkley?

I need a laugh...just go all the way and say it.

No more beating around the bush.

**BossChief** · 03-05-2013, 11:37 PM

Look at the win loss record of the teams that have drafted offensive linemen in the top 5 over the last 10 years or so.

O.city · 03-05-2013, 11:38 PM

JFC dude, they aren't taking a G at 1. Move on.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-05-2013, 11:39 PM

Pennington actually won playoff games. He was a better version of Alex Smith.

KCWolfman · 03-05-2013, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

You are misinformed. Pennington had a career QB rating of over 90.

I'm not talking about Pennington with the injuries...injuries are a gamble. I'm talking player versus player.

FFS we have seen a team with an offensive line with three hall of farmers on it miss the playoffs.

When will this team and its fans learn?

Sorry, I meant 90. And you are correct, he did have one season over 100 (I don't count a single game as a season, of course). But I still think it is ridiculous to take Pennington over Shields.

Trent Dilfer won it all with a 76.6 rating. I wouldn't take him over Shields either.

RunKC · 03-05-2013, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Our last HOF guard never won a playoff game in his career.

Your Chiefs history is rusty. Will Shields won 2 playoff games.

**BossChief** · 03-05-2013, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Pennington actually won playoff games. He was a better version of Alex Smith.

Pennington won two playoff games WITH HERM EDWARDS AS HIS HEAD COACH.

If he didnt have all the shoulder trouble, who knows where his career goes.

That guy was a gamer.

RunKC · 03-05-2013, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

You'd rather have Will Shields over Chad Pennington, right?

I completely disagree.

If all the players in this class aren't worth the top pick, you pick the best quarterback you can and utilize your quarterback developing talents to the best of their abilities.

Pennington would be the best quarterback we've had in some time.

**RealSNR** · 03-05-2013, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Your Chiefs history is rusty. Will Shields won 2 playoff games.

Thought he was drafted in 1994 for some reason.

My point still stands. Don't ****ing waste time or effort trying to find a HOF guard. If you're thinking about spending the resources on a great guard prospect or drafting an average QB prospect, take the QB. Every ****ing time.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-05-2013, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Dane...

Would you draft Chance Warmack over Matt Barkley?

I need a laugh...just go all the way and say it.

No more beating around the bush.

lol
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-05-2013, 11:53 PM

"Trust the process"
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**BossChief** · 03-05-2013, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Thought he was drafted in 1994 for some reason.

My point still stands. Don't ****ing waste time or effort trying to find a HOF guard. If you're thinking about spending the resources on a great guard prospect or drafting an average QB prospect, take the QB. Every ****ing time.

I don't see what's so hard to understand with this.

You put Pennington on this team and we win 6-8 more games...you put Will Shields on this team and we win 0-2 more games.

03-05-2013, 11:03 AM
Fat Elvis Sexiest Athlete Join Date: Apr 2001 Casino cash: $1531925	The Chiefs are taking Geno #1; bank on it Andy loves him some QBs. And KC has been a bottomless pit of QB suckage. While folks initially freaked out over the ASmith signing (me included), once they locked up Bowe and Albert, it seemed pretty clear that Geno will be the choice at #1. People say you don't draft a QB #1 to sit on the bench, the first pick of the draft isn't a backup QB. They are right. They say ASmith will be the starter, especially given his compensation. They are right. Ummm, does that mean that Geno is being groomed for a year or two behind Alex? Not necessarily. What? That is nonsense! Only in the traditional sense. I think Reid and Dorsey are thinking waaay outside the box on this one. If (when) the Chiefs draft Geno, the whole idea of a "backup" QB will be shook up. "Backup" will be a matter of semantics. "Starting" will be a matter of semantics as well. Reid and Dorsey both see the need for 2 "starting caliber" QBs on a team in today's NFL. San Fran proved beyond a shadow of a doubt last year that it really pays to have 2 QBs on your team who can start for you. If one "starting caliber" QB goes down, you have another "starting caliber" QB ready to be plugged in and the team doesn't miss a beat. It has been repeated ad nauseum on this board that the QB is the most important position in all of football. When you have an offense that is predicated on throwing the football 40+ times a game, you can't afford to have a dropoff in productivity should one of your QBs goes down for a time, otherwise your season is effectively over. Reid and Dorsey get this. As fans, especially Cheifs fans, we need to rethink our conceptions of "backup" and "starting" and realizing we are entering an era of "starting caliber" QBs. We are being built to win. We are being built to win even in the face of adverse contingencies. We are going to win. And I like it.
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