Cardinals ***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 202

**BigRedChief** · 08:16 PM

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why we’re not more emotional,” Matheny said in his office after Sunday’s game. “They say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. That’s what got us here. This isn’t the time to change it.”

It’s hard to argue with the manager’s assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.

Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.

The Cardinals’ veterans still haven’t forgotten. They still aren’t over it. It’s why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliak’s urgings to smile and put on a happier face.

Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.

The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:

* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.

The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.

The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.

The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.

The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.

The Cardinals really earned this.
Thanks for reading ...
— Bernie

Jewish Rabbi · 07-19-2013, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Yeah, that was a perfect time and place to see if he had learned anything, changed. I hope Matheny sees the answer we all see, no....he's done.
I don't get this either. You still had a 3 run lead, its the Padres and we still get a chance to bat. But its the ****ing book. Save situation and the 9th, only the closer can pitch.

It was a 6 run lead headed into the inning. The whole inning should have been Siegrest's. Once it was a save situation, I don't blame him for bringing in Mujica.

**BigRedChief** · 07-19-2013, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

It was a 6 run lead headed into the inning. The whole inning should have been Siegrest's. Once it was a save situation, I don't blame him for bringing in Mujica.

I think Siegrest can get lefty's or righty's. Pitch him anytime. No need to get a RH bat to help on the bench. Adams can hit lefty's or righty's, he's the big bat off the bench.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-19-2013, 10:35 PM

A RH bench bat would be pretty cheap and it is a definite need. Besides, Holliday isn't a picture of health and Beltran, Freese, and Craig aren't exactly Cal Ripken.

Michael Young would be a great target, IMO.

O.city · 07-20-2013, 01:37 PM

Holliday to the DL, Peterson up from Memphis.

I think Michael Young would be a good option, but I wouldn't move a whole lot to get him as there are others out there who are likely targeting him to be an everyday 3b.

Jewish Rabbi · 07-20-2013, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Holliday to the DL, Peterson up from Memphis.

I think Michael Young would be a good option, but I wouldn't move a whole lot to get him as there are others out there who are likely targeting him to be an everyday 3b.

Michael Young? For what?

**BigRedChief** · 07-20-2013, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

A RH bench bat would be pretty cheap and it is a definite need. Besides, Holliday isn't a picture of health and Beltran, Freese, and Craig aren't exactly Cal Ripken.

Why would we want to take at bats away from Adams?

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Michael Young would be a great target, IMO.

What would you give up for him?

Mi_chief_fan · 07-20-2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Why would we want to take at bats away from Adams?
What would you give up for him?

Kozma & Salas. Nothing more.

O.city · 07-20-2013, 06:02 PM

You can include Lance Lynn in any deal. Dude is useless.

Frazod · 07-20-2013, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

You can include Lance Lynn in any deal. Dude is useless.

Seriously. Lynnderella can go eat a dick. Elsewhere.

O.city · 07-20-2013, 06:52 PM

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 5m
One more note on Peavy: Scout from #STLCards also attended his start today. Like all scouts there, could have been looking at others too

Interesting.

Frazod · 07-20-2013, 06:56 PM

At least we got a couple back.

O.city · 07-20-2013, 06:57 PM

Adams smoked that ball. Just didn't get enough air under it.

O.city · 07-20-2013, 07:19 PM

Crash Davis with a PH opportunity here.

**BigRedChief** · 07-20-2013, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

You can include Lance Lynn in any deal. Dude is useless.

He's obviously got something wrong mechanically. We should give his next start to Martinez.

O.city · 07-20-2013, 07:38 PM

He's always had wonky mechanics, IMO, but they've worked. I don't knwo whats going on.

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2844064	Holliday to the DL, Peterson up from Memphis. I think Michael Young would be a good option, but I wouldn't move a whole lot to get him as there are others out there who are likely targeting him to be an everyday 3b.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2844064	You can include Lance Lynn in any deal. Dude is useless.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2844064	Adams smoked that ball. Just didn't get enough air under it.
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