Chiefs Glenn Dorsey's role in the 3-4

**Bowser** · 02-27-2009, 02:01 PM

With Vrabel coming in, I think we can officially say we are going to be a 3-4 team in '09. This leaves Dorsey kind of in positional limbo, according to those who know D-Line play better than I.

What will his role be? No way is he going to be a Haloti Ngata type at tackle, so end it is. What is the problem with Dorsey at end in a 3-4? He couldn't possibly be anymore out of position there than the way they used him last year, right? And isn't one of his strengths rushing the passer?

Please enlighten those of us not as adept at d-line, 4-3/3-4 play.

MagicHef · 02-27-2009, 02:02 PM

I believe he's supposed to be too short.

Blindside58 · 02-27-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Please enlighten those of us not as adept at d-line, 4-3/3-4 play.

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Jilly · 02-27-2009, 02:03 PM

they say linebacker...but I don't think he can do it

**Bowser** · 02-27-2009, 02:07 PM

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they say linebacker...but I don't think he can do it

The only way that to happen would be if we played ILB, ala Levon Kirkland form the Steeler defenses of the 90's. Interesting thought, but I'm not sold.

**Reaper16** · 02-27-2009, 02:04 PM

Eat up salary, I'd imagine.

RustShack · 02-27-2009, 02:04 PM

Dorsey for Shaun Rogers and Braylon Edwards?

blueballs · 02-27-2009, 02:05 PM

trade him to the Jets for Gholston

crazycoffey · 02-27-2009, 02:05 PM

I seem to remember reports before he was drafted that said DT in a 4-3 and DE in a 3-4, not that it's a lock, but it would seem to be more possible than naysayers are allowing us to believe...

RustShack · 02-27-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

I seem to remember reports before he was drafted that said DT in a 4-3 and DE in a 3-4, not that it's a lock, but it would seem to be more possible than naysayers are allowing us to believe...

I remember him saying he would put on weight to play NT in a 3-4.

HC_Chief · 02-27-2009, 02:11 PM

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I remember him saying he would put on weight to play NT in a 3-4.

He is heavier than Arizona's Darnell Dockett, who played both 1 & 3 gap.

I'm not writing off Dorsey until I see how he plays in the defense. IMO how has the upper-body strength to play NT (he could chuck pretty much any NFL C on their ass), the question is with his lower-body strength & whether/not he can learn the proper technique(s) to play the position.

tboss27 · 02-27-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

He is heavier than Arizona's Darnell Dockett, who played both 1 & 3 gap.

I'm not writing off Dorsey until I see how he plays in the defense. IMO how has the upper-body strength to play NT (he could chuck pretty much any NFL C on their ass), the question is with his lower-body strength & whether/not he can learn the proper technique(s) to play the position.

I won't write him off either, all the experts had this guy at the top of their draft boards last year in terms of talent. He's going to have to play end though, no way he's big enough to play NT. I just don't understand insisting on switching to 3-4 when three of your former first rounders don't fit well in that scheme. DJ, Hali, and Dorsey will all have to learn new positions now, not something I'm thrilled about my best three players in the front 7 having to do.

Chief3188 · 02-27-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tboss27

I won't write him off either, all the experts had this guy at the top of their draft boards last year in terms of talent. He's going to have to play end though, no way he's big enough to play NT. I just don't understand insisting on switching to 3-4 when three of your former first rounders don't fit well in that scheme. DJ, Hali, and Dorsey will all have to learn new positions now, not something I'm thrilled about my best three players in the front 7 having to do.

Well to be fair our so called best 3 players on the front 7 had a combined 4.5 sacks which ironically is only half a sack more than the guy we just traded for had last season.

**Mr. Kotter** · 02-27-2009, 02:44 PM

I think some people doubt Dorsey's ability to cosistently play two-gap defense. Frankly, I don't really get why either. I think he has more than enough tools that he can be disruptive, and if nothing else...he should be able to often occupy two blockers. Either way, he's done his job.

Here's a decent article that has bearing on the whole discussion:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5...:-Mind-the-Gap

huskerdooz · 02-27-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

He is heavier than Arizona's Darnell Dockett, who played both 1 & 3 gap.

I'm not writing off Dorsey until I see how he plays in the defense. IMO how has the upper-body strength to play NT (he could chuck pretty much any NFL C on their ass), the question is with his lower-body strength & whether/not he can learn the proper technique(s) to play the position.

I've actually heard it the other way around, that he has the lower body to play nose tackle but not the upper body strength. Tank Tyler has just the opposite, the upper body strength needed to play the position but the lower body needs work.

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