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Old 02-09-2006, 12:06 AM  
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911 was an inside job.

After watching this, I am once and for all convinced that it was an inside job...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...81991288263801


The evidence is way too strong.
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Old 09-18-2017, 11:36 AM   #4441
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Meeting people like me is easy. Just walk out your door. Polls show that roughly half the nation doesn't believe the official story. They don't talk a lot about it, of course. Even on this forum, there's a substantial amount of people that don't believe the official story. Most won't put their name out there though. People are like that.
Sad, but apparently true.

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Old 09-18-2017, 11:42 AM   #4442
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Old 09-18-2017, 11:51 AM   #4443
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Most interesting is the demographics.

I always thought that most 9-11 conspiracy nuts were kinda the libertarian tinfoil hat type like our pal TJ, but they're not.

Some polls had 35% of democrats thinking Bush knew of the attacks in advance.

It's gotta be those antivaxxer college hippie type tin foil hatters.
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Old 09-18-2017, 11:54 AM   #4444
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Most interesting is the demographics.

I always thought that most 9-11 conspiracy nuts were kinda the libertarian tinfoil hat type like our pal TJ, but they're not.

Some polls had 35% of democrats thinking Bush knew of the attacks in advance.

It's gotta be those antivaxxer college hippie type tin foil hatters.
I've always thought that Bush and the others knew something big was going to happen. Not necessarily planes being flown in to buildings, but something devastating.
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Old 09-18-2017, 11:59 AM   #4445
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I've always thought that Bush and the others knew something big was going to happen. Not necessarily planes being flown in to buildings, but something devastating.
Based on what?
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Old 09-18-2017, 12:00 PM   #4446
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Well yeah, I'd agree when it comes down to what the government knew, what the government actually took action on, etc. I have no doubt that there's cover up of incompetence and inaction.

But this was not some operation run by remote control planes with lasers and thermite. That is too huge of an operation and the evidence doesn't support it.
The government is always covering up and lying about it's incompetence and inaction.

I don't think this discussion is about incompetence, but about a well plotted effort by the US government, going all the way to the president, to murder 3000 people and blame Al Qaeda so we can invade Iraq for their oil.

But yeah, they can't figure out a health care system that functions, but they did that. 'How can one have these two completely contradictory views of the governmental competence at the same time?' you may ask.

I don't know. I just don't.
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Old 09-18-2017, 12:02 PM   #4447
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Based on what?
That they had so many of these guys on a watch list that even stopped one person from coming in to the country.
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Old 09-18-2017, 12:08 PM   #4448
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That they had so many of these guys on a watch list that even stopped one person from coming in to the country.
What watch list?
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Old 09-18-2017, 12:11 PM   #4449
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That they had so many of these guys on a watch list that even stopped one person from coming in to the country.
There are tens of thousands of people on those watch lists.

That the 9-11 terrorists were on a watch list shouldn't be surprising, nor is it shocking the agencies could not uncover the plot before it happened.

I don't really see how you're connecting A to B. Certainly not enough to take it to the president's level.
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Old 09-18-2017, 12:16 PM   #4450
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There are tens of thousands of people on those watch lists.

That the 9-11 terrorists were on a watch list shouldn't be surprising, nor is it shocking the agencies could not uncover the plot before it happened.

I don't really see how you're connecting A to B. Certainly not enough to take it to the president's level.
Not playing Devil's advocate here, but don't forget Bush was given a PDB in August 2001 entitled: "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US"
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Old 09-18-2017, 12:28 PM   #4451
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Not playing Devil's advocate here, but don't forget Bush was given a PDB in August 2001 entitled: "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US"
I think you mean you ARE playing devil's advocate. Meaning you're making an opposing argument insincerely for the sake of discussion.

I'm sure Obama was handed some that said Al Baghdadi was determined to strike the US, but that doesn't mean he was complicit in the Pulse nightclub massacre or that he knew that specific series of events is how things would play out.

It's just such a huge reach. There's a few degrees of separation there.

Now I've got one:

Why could CNN track down Bin Laden, who was on the FBI's top 10 most wanted, prior to 9-11 and give him an interview when the FBI and CIA allegedly couldn't find him?
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I think you mean you ARE playing devil's advocate. Meaning you're making an opposing argument insincerely for the sake of discussion.

I'm sure Obama was handed some that said Al Baghdadi was determined to strike the US, but that doesn't mean he was complicit in the Pulse nightclub massacre or that he knew that specific series of events is how things would play out.

It's just such a huge reach. There's a few degrees of separation there.

Now I've got one:

Why could CNN track down Bin Laden, who was on the FBI's top 10 most wanted, prior to 9-11 and give him an interview when the FBI and CIA allegedly couldn't find him?
No, I'm not playing Devil's advocate. I'm not making an opposing argument. I'm just pointing out as historical fact, not suggesting that "Bush knew." You stated that it wasn't taken to Bush's level. It was.

The only CNN interview with him came years before 9/11, IIRC.
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Old 09-18-2017, 12:40 PM   #4453
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There are tens of thousands of people on those watch lists.

That the 9-11 terrorists were on a watch list shouldn't be surprising, nor is it shocking the agencies could not uncover the plot before it happened.

I don't really see how you're connecting A to B. Certainly not enough to take it to the president's level.
Pre-911 the lists were not as long. You are confusing that I said "The government knew that something big was going to happen" that I said "He was complicit in letting it happen.
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No, I'm not playing Devil's advocate. I'm not making an opposing argument. I'm just pointing out as historical fact, not suggesting that "Bush knew." You stated that it wasn't taken to Bush's level. It was.
And again, so what if he knew Bin Laden was going to attack? We know Baghdadi is going to attack. That doesn't imply any knowledge above that. Bin Laden had made it clear in public interviews what he intended to do. It wasn't a state secret.

It's just a pointless statement. If we're not talking about compliance or willful inaction in the face of a known future tragedy then it's meaningless to bring up, and it doesn't in any way even imply either of those two things.

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The only CNN interview with him came years before 9/11, IIRC.
Yes, March of 1997. Which was before he was added to the watch list in 1999. So my comment was stupid.

However, he declared Jihad and announced on CNN his desire to attack the US four years before 9-11.

So not only did Bush know Bin Laden planned to attack, but so did CNN. Maybe THEY were behind it!

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And again, so what if he knew Bin Laden was going to attack? We know Baghdadi is going to attack. That doesn't imply any knowledge above that. Bin Laden had made it clear in public interviews what he intended to do. It wasn't a state secret.

It's just a pointless statement.
Precisely. There was no actionable intelligence given to Bush, but truthers will hold it up as PROOF that "Bush knew"
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