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View Poll Results: Has the Democratic Party become the party of losers?
Absolutely, what a bunch of morons 27 61.36%
No way dude, the Dems are getting their shit together 13 29.55%
I don't care I just want to take a bubble bath with Gaz. 4 9.09%
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Old 08-17-2007, 09:25 AM  
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So it's going to be Hillary?

Certainly seems so out here in the people's republic. Leave it to the Dems to put in someone who just isn't electable. They should just change the name to the Dipshitacratic party right now. What a bunch of losers.
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Old 08-18-2007, 09:44 AM   #61
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I'd vote for Hillary over all of the Republicans running right now (shocking, I know). I'd vote forthe candidates in this order:

Gore - D (has the full package to be a good President... proven experience)

Clark - D (has potential to be a great President... limited proven experience)

Obama - D (has the full package to be a great presient... a little green)

Powell - R (Hard time trusting his judgement after UN, he would be #1 overall otherwise)

Biden - D (can't keep his foot out of his mouth, but I trust him on the issues)

Richardson - D (great experience)

Hillary - D (she'll do a good job, having Bill back in the WH will help fix a lot that's broken)

Edwards - D (not sold on him)

Dodd - D (same, not sold on him)

McCain - R (Like his policies best of R's)

Huckabee - R (don't like his policies, but trust him a lot... he's no Dubya)

Kucinich - D (he's a pacifist, no go for President)

Paul - R (his policies are extreme, IMO... but he'd not likely be able to enforce much of them

Gravel - D (Existential Gravel)

Romney - R (he'll do or say anything to get elected, but he'll do little damage when he's in office)

Thompson - R (he's phoney, but arrogant enough to not be a tool of NeoCons/Cheney/Rove like Bush was)

Tancredo - R (he's a little radical, IMO)

Brownback - R (don't like his policies, don't really trust him)

Hunter - R (I think he's corrupt)

Rudy - R (Like many of his policies before he abandoned them... He's Dubya 2... an empty cavern of foreign policy experience being filled by the NeoCons)

Newt - R (Imagine if Rove was President)
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Old 08-18-2007, 09:48 AM   #62
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[Quote]Hillary - D (she'll do a good job, having Bill back in the WH will help fix a lot that's broken)


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Old 08-18-2007, 09:49 AM   #63
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Right now, Hillary and Obama are outpolling everyone head to head.

That's rather shocking to me.

That tells me that Hillary can win a General election.

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Old 08-18-2007, 09:51 AM   #64
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Newt - R (Imagine if Rove was President)
I think he's gonna announce he'll run based on what he was saying on Greta Van Susternan's show last night. He's pushing all the right emotional buttons with disaffected Republicans....but I suspect he's posturing. I suspect he's running because the GOP leadership has admitted that the passion in the base is for Newt or Paul. Since he's an AEI/PNAC NeoCon this could just be the strategy they need to siphon votes from Paul and keep the same policies in play, especially to those who think he's a conservative.
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Old 08-18-2007, 09:57 AM   #65
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Hillary - having Bill back in the WH


This sums it up nicely...Clinton uses Rodham/Clinton to absolve Clinton.
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Old 08-18-2007, 09:58 AM   #66
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Hillary - D (she'll do a good job, having Bill back in the WH will help fix a lot that's broken)


I have to agree with jAZ on this one. In spite of his personal character faults, Bill was an expert and able statesman, and economically he presided over one of the most prosperous periods in the 20th century. Many critics try to claim that the economic boon we experienced in the 90s was because of the internet "bubble," and not because of any of the policies of the Clinton WH (and they're wrong, because the boon was the result of several factors, including the internet - which owes a big part of its existence and success to the Clinton WH, Clinton policies, and several other factors on which Clinton may or may not have had any influence). All in all, he was a far better president than Bush 2 has been, a bit better president than Bush 1 was, and at least a comparable president to Reagan.
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Old 08-18-2007, 10:26 AM   #67
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I have to agree with jAZ on this one. In spite of his personal character faults, Bill was an expert and able statesman, and economically he presided over one of the most prosperous periods in the 20th century. Many critics try to claim that the economic boon we experienced in the 90s was because of the internet "bubble," and not because of any of the policies of the Clinton WH (and they're wrong, because the boon was the result of several factors, including the internet - which owes a big part of its existence and success to the Clinton WH, Clinton policies, and several other factors on which Clinton may or may not have had any influence). All in all, he was a far better president than Bush 2 has been, a bit better president than Bush 1 was, and at least a comparable president to Reagan.
Not so much. He was a disaster. His foreign policy made Bush 1 look like a genius, the economy was good because of a Republican Congress restraining his spending combined with the Internet Bubble that you mentioned (which popped horribly), he was singularly responsible for 9/11 because of his blunders and he was more corrupt than a mafia boss. Leave out his marital indiscretions.........

Sorry, I don't see his being back on Capitol Hill as advantageous.
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Old 08-18-2007, 10:49 AM   #68
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Not so much. He was a disaster.
Not so much.

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His foreign policy made Bush 1 look like a genius,
Hardly. He gambled more than Bush 1, seemed a bit more trigger happy, and some of it paid off, some of it didn't. Such is the nature of gambling.

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the economy was good because of a Republican Congress restraining his spending
Only partially correct. The Republican Congress restrained his spending in some areas, especially wrt social programs. But he also restrained their spending (which threatened to be even more dramatic than his) in other areas, especially wrt military spending. It evened out.

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combined with the Internet Bubble that you mentioned (which popped horribly),
Not really. The moment that is generally defined as the "bubble burst," was actually only a slight drop-off, but it triggered a trend in deflation that last for about two years. Nevertheless, at its lowest point, it was still quite a bit higher than when the bubble began. It has also picked up again.

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he was singularly responsible for 9/11 because of his blunders
So goes the Republican chant, anyway. Clinton's mistakes had no more or less bearing on 9/11 than those of Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2. Without a doubt, Clinton did a lot more, and came a lot closer to catching bin Laden after the 1993 attack, than Bush 2 has done since 9/11. Clinton had actually made arrangements to have him extridicted from Yemen when they captured him, and had him nearly in his grasp, until Yemen decided to renege and let bin Laden go before Clinton could get personnel over to pick him up. Conversely, Bush has all but ignored him. And Reagan/Bush 1 are singularly responsible for his rise to power in the first place.

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and he was more corrupt than a mafia boss.
Welcome to the world of US upper echelon politics.

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Leave out his marital indiscretions.........
Good idea, since they have no place in a discussion of his effectiveness as a President.

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Sorry, I don't see his being back on Capitol Hill as advantageous.
Of course not. Nobody who carries the moniker of "Republican" sees it as advantageous. After all, he was your debbil.
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Old 08-18-2007, 11:01 AM   #69
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Not so much. He was a disaster. His foreign policy made Bush 1 look like a genius, the economy was good because of a Republican Congress restraining his spending combined with the Internet Bubble that you mentioned (which popped horribly), he was singularly responsible for 9/11 because of his blunders and he was more corrupt than a mafia boss. Leave out his marital indiscretions.........

Sorry, I don't see his being back on Capitol Hill as advantageous.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/polit...acy010117.html

You can't trust him, he's got weak morals and ethics and he's done a heck of a good job. That's the public consensus on Bill Clinton, whose tumultuous presidency ends Saturday.

Despite his prevaricating, his sexual misadventures and his impeachment by Congress, a remarkable 65 percent of Americans approve of the way Clinton has done his job the best end-of-career rating of any postwar president (one point ahead of Ronald Reagan).

End-of Presidency Job Approval Ratings
Bill Clinton (2001) 65%
Ronald Reagan (1989) 64
Dwight Eisenhower (1961) 59
John F. Kennedy (1963) 63
George Bush (1993) 56
Gerald Ford (1977) 53
Lyndon Johnson (1969) 49
Jimmy Carter (1981) 34
Richard Nixon (1974) 24
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Old 08-18-2007, 11:02 AM   #70
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Of course not. Nobody who carries the moniker of "Republican" sees it as advantageous. After all, he was your debbil.


I'm not a Republican and thus he is not my designated debbil. I simply see him for the disaster he was (and will be if his cankle sporting wife gets elected).
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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/polit...acy010117.html

You can't trust him, he's got weak morals and ethics and he's done a heck of a good job. That's the public consensus on Bill Clinton, whose tumultuous presidency ends Saturday.

Despite his prevaricating, his sexual misadventures and his impeachment by Congress, a remarkable 65 percent of Americans approve of the way Clinton has done his job the best end-of-career rating of any postwar president (one point ahead of Ronald Reagan).

End-of Presidency Job Approval Ratings
Bill Clinton (2001) 65%
Ronald Reagan (1989) 64
Dwight Eisenhower (1961) 59
John F. Kennedy (1963) 63
George Bush (1993) 56
Gerald Ford (1977) 53
Lyndon Johnson (1969) 49
Jimmy Carter (1981) 34
Richard Nixon (1974) 24
All that illustrates is that the "Marching Morons" effect is finally upon us.
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Old 08-18-2007, 11:06 AM   #72
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All that illustrates is that the "Marching Morons" effect is finally upon us.
Expect the current President to fall somewhere in the bottom 2.
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All that illustrates is that the "Marching Morons" effect is finally upon us.
That's a whole lot of bi-partisan approval.
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All that illustrates is that the "Marching Morons" effect is finally upon us.
....wasting your time, everything and anything regarding Rodham/Clinton will be deflected back to Bush untils she's sworn in...makes sense, since his casatigation is the foundation of her plausibilty.
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So what you're saying is that Bush has paved the road for Hillary to be elected? Is that what you just said?
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