Peter King: The Chiefs will never take a safety that high

[dirk digler]

I hope that ****nut is wrong but I am sure I will be disappointed if Berry is there and they pass unless they decide to draft Clausen.

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I noticed last night SI's Peter King was tweeting up a storm at his Twitter account about all things football for a few hours. One very interesting observation came out of him that I think would surprise a lot of us here.
Someone suggested the Chiefs trade with the Dolphins, who are in need of a playmaking safety. King, who agreed with a Miami/Kansas City trade scenario, had this to say:

"And KC would never take [safety] that high."

Now, King's one of the best in the business when it comes to sports reporting, especially the NFL and that sounds like a pretty definitive statement.

With that said, I see his logic. Scott Pioli has always struck me as a guy who's more likely to build from the inside out meaning the focus is on the offensive and defensive lines.

Just something to keep in mind as we inch toward April.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

3 years in a row of top 5 picks

0 playmakers Incredible...

We'll see what happens.

But if we end up passing on Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez AND Jimmy Clausen, we deserve exactly what we get.

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Gonzo has to be in the discussion.

I don't care that he was a TE. He was used more similarly to that of a possession WR, and the dude consistently moved the chains on third down, the most critical *plays* in a drive.

Now, do I think that the TE, even a transcendent one like Gonzo, should be a cornerstone? No. But that's a different debate entirely.

Bottom line is that Gonzo had a profound impact on games, and I think too often the best players are undervalued because of larger issues of incompetency in the organization.

I agree he was a great player; but I just have a slightly different view on what a playmaker is. For me a playmaker is someone who can impact/win the game on a single play. TG was great, but aside from snagging a tough 3rd down catch, or a TD pass in the red zone....
I dunno. playmaker to me has that *boom* factor; where you're watchign the game and BOOM; he breaks it/intercepts it/ sacks anf forces fumble / launches a perfect 40yd pass in tight coverage etc.

Good point about the cornerstone issue; you're right. that's a whole other bal of wax.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Gonzo has to be in the discussion.

I don't care that he was a TE. He was used more similarly to that of a possession WR, and the dude consistently moved the chains on third down, the most critical *plays* in a drive.

Now, do I think that the TE, even a transcendent one like Gonzo, should be a cornerstone? No. But that's a different debate entirely.

Bottom line is that Gonzo had a profound impact on games, and I think too often the best players are undervalued because of larger issues of incompetency in the organization.

Totally agree. Tony wasn't your prototypical TE. I also would consider a guy like Shannon Sharpe a playmaker.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Gonzo has to be in the discussion.

I don't care that he was a TE. He was used more similarly to that of a possession WR, and the dude consistently moved the chains on third down, the most critical *plays* in a drive.

Now, do I think that the TE, even a transcendent one like Gonzo, should be a cornerstone? No. But that's a different debate entirely.

Bottom line is that Gonzo had a profound impact on games, and I think too often the best players are undervalued because of larger issues of incompetency in the organization.

I made the point about playmakers in the past 20 years, and I included him.

Sadly, that he makes 3. In 20 years.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

LJ, for a very brief period of time, was absolutely a playmaker.

Too short a period of time to consider, IMO.

He had what, two good seasons?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

LJ, for a very brief period of time, was absolutely a playmaker.

So was Sly Mo

[Dayze]

...ok..the more I think about it. I could categorize TG as a playmaker.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

But if we end up passing on Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez AND Jimmy Clausen, we deserve exactly what we get.

Perhaps the smartest post you have ever made on this board.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

We'll see what happens.

But if we end up passing on Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez AND Jimmy Clausen, we deserve exactly what we get.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Dayze

I agree he was a great player; but I just have a slightly different view on what a playmaker is. For me a playmaker is someone who can impact/win the game on a single play. TG was great, but aside from snagging a tough 3rd down catch, or a TD pass in the red zone....
I dunno. playmaker to me has that *boom* factor; where you're watchign the game and BOOM; he breaks it/intercepts it/ sacks anf forces fumble / launches a perfect 40yd pass in tight coverage etc.

Good point about the cornerstone issue; you're right. that's a whole other bal of wax.

While I understand, too much importance is being paid to the home run.

Example, what's the difference between a guy like Reed intercepting a pass, taking a knee, thus icing the game, or a guy like Gonzo going over the middle, making a difficult catch in traffic, moving the chains, buring more time, thus icing the game?

Playmaker to me = enormous impact. Not a facilitator. Which is why we don't ever talk about playmaking LTs. They're "franchise" LTs. Important distinction.

[Dayze]

I say take a QB at 5.

it won't happen.

so, if Berry is there; take him.

They won't.
they'll take a OL; or trade back and still take OL.

....and we still have Cassel.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Dayze

I say take a QB at 5.

it won't happen.

so, if Berry is there; take him.

They won't.
they'll take a OL; or trade back and still take OL.

....and we still have Cassel.

This is pretty much what's going to happen.

[DTHOF]

Originally Posted by Dayze

the thread title should read "The Chiefs Will Never Draft a Playmaker"

I can't recall the last playmaker the Chiefs drafted (sorry true fans, I don't consider TG a playmaker. Or the TE position in general)

Haven't drafted a playmaker since the first round in 1989

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I made the point about playmakers in the past 20 years, and I included him.

Sadly, that he makes 3. In 20 years.

Missed that.

I clearly Piolied up.

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

While I understand, too much importance is being paid to the home run.

Example, what's the difference between a guy like Reed intercepting a pass, taking a knee, thus icing the game, or a guy like Gonzo going over the middle, making a difficult catch in traffic, moving the chains, buring more time, thus icing the game?

Playmaker to me = enormous impact. Not a facilitator. Which is why we don't ever talk about playmaking LT. They're "franchise" LT. Important distinction.

good points.
I would agree with that.

what's even more sad is I'm not sure we have even the 'smart' playmakers on this team (ie Bowe runing out of bounds when we needed to burn clock). ...
Maybe Flowers and Charles - about the only 2 I could think of.