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Old 12-01-2012, 08:52 AM  
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Shooting at Arrowhead- Chiefs player commits suicide

No details yet. Just came across on the news.

edit: Sources say the player is Jovan Belcher. Police have yet to confirm.

An unnamed Kansas City Chiefs player has committed suicide at the team facility and authorities are on the scene, the police confirmed to ESPN on Saturday morning.

Local reports say police are operating with the belief the player fatally shot his girlfriend at a house before driving to Arrowhead Stadium and killing himself at around 8 a.m local time. The Associated Press reported the player's age to be 25.

"We can confirm that there was an incident at Arrowhead earlier this morning," the Chiefs said in a statement. "We are cooperating with authorities in their investigation."

There were no other injuries at the team facility, police said.

The Chiefs (1-10) were preparing to host the Carolina Panthers on Sunday.

The NFL has told the Panthers to travel as planned to Kansas City on Saturday, the Charlotte Observer has reported, citing interim general manager Brandon Beane.


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Old 12-02-2012, 08:54 PM   #2356
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I've been involved with a few nasty bitches in my time. I never shot any of them, but it wasn't from lack of wanting to.


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Old 12-02-2012, 08:54 PM   #2357
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no, but i think wearing that shirt and looking up to the sky and pointing up like Belcher is watching down on him is absolutely shitting on the victims of certain parties involved in this.

Because no matter what your religion is, you are not ever pointing up like murderers go to a better place in the after life.

and that, at the end of the day, is a completely wrong and stupid view point.
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:55 PM   #2358
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So long as no one is doing anything illegal, who am I to judge how they deal with this very complicated process?
You can say something is not appropriate even when it is legal.

Have you seen the backlash people get when they make a non-serious remark in a chiefsplanet prayer-request thread? They literally get a harder time than Belcher has gotten on this board.
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:59 PM   #2359
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I am as non liberal as it gets and I simply have to agree to disagree with you on this. Its not that black and white. I wish it was because it would make everything much simpler in life but the simple fact is, its not.
I will admit I was wrong on one point I was making. I do believe that head trauma could be a reasonable "excuse" for certain behavior. I know that many soldiers come home with PTSD and head trauma that effect them very greatly. Though alot of those soldiers kill themselves and not someone else.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:00 PM   #2360
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No.

Then discussing anything with you is no longer an option. Enjoy your little world where nothing is out of order.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:02 PM   #2361
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You can say something is not appropriate even when it is legal.

Have you seen the backlash people get when they make a non-serious remark in a chiefsplanet prayer-request thread? They literally get a harder time than Belcher has gotten on this board.

There is making an observation that someone is not dealing well with their grief and then there is straight up judging and throwing them to the lions.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:03 PM   #2362
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Would people be so strenuously advocating "lets withhold judgment!" If this guy was a raiders player?

Maybe I should go back and try to find the "barret robbins" thread.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:04 PM   #2363
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Yes.

It is about time as a society we quit making excuses for bad behavior. We are going to hear them all in the near future like head trauma, drugs, alcohol. These are all excuses to make what he did seem less bad.

The guy pumped 9 bullets into his girlfriends body in front of his mom and child, got in a car and drove at a high rate of speed (putting more people in danger) to the Chiefs training facility to do who knows what. Then offs himself when the cops show up.

There is no excuse for what he did and there really is no excuse for the Chiefs Organization to have any Belcher related items anywhere. He should be cleansed from the organization and his name should never be repeated again.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:05 PM   #2364
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There is making an observation that someone is not dealing well with their grief and then there is straight up judging and throwing them to the lions.
He isn't so grief stricken that he doesn't have time to do some attention whoring on twitter.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:05 PM   #2365
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Then discussing anything with you is no longer an option. Enjoy your little world where nothing is out of order.
Likewise, in the world where everyone gets a free pass, so long as there's an excuse ready or some type of "it could've been me" explanation.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:05 PM   #2366
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Would people be so strenuously advocating "lets withhold judgment!" If this guy was a raiders player?

Maybe I should go back and try to find the "barret robbins" thread.
You are allowed to judge all you want. Telling everyone else how they should judge or act is what frustrates me.
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Costas on NBC just quoted the entire closing of Whitlocks column...said he didnt always agree with JWhit, but i guess hes with him on this.....



Our current gun culture simply ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy, and that more convenience-store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will leave more teenage boys bloodied and dead.

In the coming days, Belcher’s actions will be analyzed through the lens of concussions and head injuries. Who knows? Maybe brain damage triggered his violent overreaction to a fight with his girlfriend. What I believe is, if he didn’t possess/own a gun, he and Kasandra Perkins would both be alive today.


That is the message I wish Chiefs players, professional athletes and all of us would focus on Sunday and moving forward. Handguns do not enhance our safety. They exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate arguments, and bait us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it.

But we won’t. We’ll watch Sunday’s game and comfort ourselves with the false belief we’re incapable of the wickedness that exploded inside Jovan Belcher Saturday morning.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/j...-sunday-120112
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:07 PM   #2368
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Yeah the gun was the problem...

JFC Whitlock...
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Likewise, in the world where everyone gets a free pass, so long as there's an excuse ready or some type of "it could've been me" explanation.
You are off the freaking deep end. Nobody is giving anyone a free pass.

Had Belcher not killed himself I would expect he spends the rest of his life in jail.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:10 PM   #2370
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Had Belcher not killed himself I would expect he spends the rest of his life in jail.
That would depend on the facts of the case that we still don't know. Was this manslaughter or was this premeditated?
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