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Old 11-16-2018, 11:46 AM  
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Trump administration greenlights $324M border wall in Arizona

Trump administration greenlights $324M border wall in Arizona

by Anna Giaritelli
| November 15, 2018 09:54 PM

The Arizona border will have 32 miles of existing wall replaced starting next April.

The $324 million project has been given the green light by federal immigration officials, U.S. Customs and Border Protection announced Thursday.

The project will switch out an old barrier that runs from the Border Patrol's Tucson Sector west into the Yuma Sector, which is just miles from Arizona's border with California. The replacement wall is meant to keep pedestrians and vehicles from entering the U.S. Older barriers were largely to prevent cars from driving over, but were only a few feet tall and did little to keep people from trespassing from Mexico.

The undertaking, which will be paid for by congressional funding for CBP from 2018 legislation, is part of President Trump's January 2017 executive order to secure the country by improving barriers in vulnerable and high-traffic areas.

Barnard Construction Company, which was not among the six companies that built the eight wall prototypes in San Diego, was given a $172 million contract for 14 miles of replacement wall near Yuma, CBP said in a news release. Another 13 miles of barrier will be completed as part of this project but CBP did not share who it awarded that funding to.

CBP also did not indicate how the remaining $152 million would be spent.

Five miles of work will take place near Lukeville, Ariz., and the other 27 miles are in Yuma's territory.

Last month, CBP was given permission to bypass environmental laws to build 18 miles of new wall on the U.S.-Mexico border in the Rio Grande Valley of South Texas.

The Department of Homeland Security announced in the Federal Register on Thursday that it has given CBP permission to ignore environmental and land regulations so it can speed up the process of building miles of new barrier in Hidalgo County.

CBP will move forward on six projects in the busiest of the southern border's nine Border Patrol sectors. The largest portion of wall construction is 8 miles long and will stretch from near Goodwin and Abraham roads east to near the International Boundary and Water Commission levee.

The announcement came a day after DHS said Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen waived regulations for two miles of other border projects in the Rio Grande Valley's Cameron County.

In both decisions, the memos stated Nielsen had the authority to make the exceptions under the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996, which states a chief can waive all legal requirements if a wall, road, or other infrastructure is immediately needed.

The Center for Biological Diversity slammed the department's use of waivers and said the administration is ignoring 28 relevant laws to build a wall and issued the Thursday waiver despite having been in the midst of collecting comments from local residents on the plan.

ďThe Trump administration is ignoring thousands of people in Hidalgo County who donít want these disastrous border walls,Ē Laiken Jordahl, borderlands campaigner at the Center for Biological Diversity, said in a statement. ďThe Rio Grande Valley is one of the most spectacular and biologically important landscapes in the country. Every acre is irreplaceable."

Trump campaigned in 2016 to build a "beautiful" wall between the U.S. and Mexico. When he took office in January 2017, the barrier between the countries' 1,954-mile border covered approximately one-third of that length.

In April, CBP announced several projects that would replace and build new barriers on 100 miles.

DHS had not published a waiver for the Arizona project in the Federal Register as of late Thursday.

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Old 11-20-2018, 01:27 PM   #31
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There is no $200 billion dollar wall and thatís never been a thing. Donít tell me youíre falling for that one too.
It doesn't matter. How deep is Trump's "wall"? Because my hunch says it won't be deep enough.

We're wetting ourselves over a bunch of women and children who have walked across mexico to get to the US like they're the Chinese Red Army. They're going to come here. I don't care how big the wall or how many bullets. The reason I know this is because America is ****ing awesome. Look no further than women and children walking across mexico to get here. A mother doesn't put her child in the water unless it's safer to brave the sharks. Christ we are a nation of ****ing pussies. We can't handle and process 10,000 immigrants? Really? Shit, Trump probably employs that many illegals in his casinos alone. For ****s sakes when did we become such a frightened people?
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It doesn't matter. How deep is Trump's "wall"? Because my hunch says it won't be deep enough.

We're wetting ourselves over a bunch of women and children who have walked across mexico to get to the US like they're the Chinese Red Army. They're going to come here. I don't care how big the wall or how many bullets. The reason I know this is because America is ****ing awesome. Look no further than women and children walking across mexico to get here. A mother doesn't put her child in the water unless it's safer to brave the sharks. Christ we are a nation of ****ing pussies. We can't handle and process 10,000 immigrants? Really? Shit, Trump probably employs that many illegals in his casinos alone. For ****s sakes when did we become such a frightened people?


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It doesn't matter. How deep is Trump's "wall"? Because my hunch says it won't be deep enough.

We're wetting ourselves over a bunch of women and children who have walked across mexico to get to the US like they're the Chinese Red Army. They're going to come here. I don't care how big the wall or how many bullets. The reason I know this is because America is ****ing awesome. Look no further than women and children walking across mexico to get here. A mother doesn't put her child in the water unless it's safer to brave the sharks. Christ we are a nation of ****ing pussies. We can't handle and process 10,000 immigrants? Really? Shit, Trump probably employs that many illegals in his casinos alone. For ****s sakes when did we become such a frightened people?
I don't know who is frightened and I'm not sure why your hair is on fire over improving border security. Is this about Trump for you?
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There is no $200 billion dollar wall and thatís never been a thing. Donít tell me youíre falling for that one too.
There's no Trump wall at all if we want to be honest. There was never going to be one.
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It doesn't matter. How deep is Trump's "wall"? Because my hunch says it won't be deep enough.

We're wetting ourselves over a bunch of women and children who have walked across mexico to get to the US like they're the Chinese Red Army. They're going to come here. I don't care how big the wall or how many bullets. The reason I know this is because America is ****ing awesome. Look no further than women and children walking across mexico to get here. A mother doesn't put her child in the water unless it's safer to brave the sharks. Christ we are a nation of ****ing pussies. We can't handle and process 10,000 immigrants? Really? Shit, Trump probably employs that many illegals in his casinos alone. For ****s sakes when did we become such a frightened people?
America's great! So let's destroy it by overwhelming the populace with foreigners who don't come remotely close to sharing the nation's traditional values!

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It doesn't matter. How deep is Trump's "wall"? Because my hunch says it won't be deep enough.

We're wetting ourselves over a bunch of women and children who have walked across mexico to get to the US like they're the Chinese Red Army. They're going to come here. I don't care how big the wall or how many bullets. The reason I know this is because America is ****ing awesome. Look no further than women and children walking across mexico to get here. A mother doesn't put her child in the water unless it's safer to brave the sharks. Christ we are a nation of ****ing pussies. We can't handle and process 10,000 immigrants? Really? Shit, Trump probably employs that many illegals in his casinos alone. For ****s sakes when did we become such a frightened people?
If that's like a big deal or something, now that they're free from whatever death-threats they were getting in their homeland (which is why "asylum" works), why not just stay in Mexico? While they aren't the Red Army, why won't you answer that question? Mexico has said they'd process them, so why not stay there and save a few steps?
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Maybe he's right tho-after letting in 60,000,000 foreigners, why complain about 10,000 more???
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Outside of your snark lostcause, I actually agree with you. Building an actual wall is a big waste of money. I have always said bullets are waaaaay cheaper. But Trump campaigned on an actual wall, and the libs would cry and pee down their leg if we used bullets to defend America, so the wall is the best option IMO. What's your take on the situation if you don't mind sharing?
Well, I'm against bullets as an option even if they are way cheaper. That's me.

As far as a wall goes, the cost looks astronomical. Outside of the initial cost, maintenance on something that large would be enormous. And if maintenance isn't kept up - which is likely considering all the other infrastructure like bridges and roads that have been forsaken - then you end up with a huge investment into an archaic (and likely ineffective) border monstrosity that within years would likely have multiple failure points.

Apprehensions of people crossing the border from Mexico has declined from 1.6 million in 2000 to 300,000 in 2017 with the number of agents stationed on the Southwest border doubling to over 16,000 during that time. I'm not going to hazard a guess at how many are getting through that net of border patrol, but there's been an obvious increase in the effectiveness of border patrol agents over the last 2 decades. When you combine this with a growing percentage of illegal aliens in the US being attributed to over stayed Visas, I think it becomes surreal to even contemplate this kind of money on a wall.

When you add in how much it's going to cost to buy that land back from Cards Against Humanity, the number just goes up.
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Well, I'm against bullets as an option even if they are way cheaper. That's me.

As far as a wall goes, the cost looks astronomical. Outside of the initial cost, maintenance on something that large would be enormous. And if maintenance isn't kept up - which is likely considering all the other infrastructure like bridges and roads that have been forsaken - then you end up with a huge investment into an archaic (and likely ineffective) border monstrosity that within years would likely have multiple failure points.

Apprehensions of people crossing the border from Mexico has declined from 1.6 million in 2000 to 300,000 in 2017 with the number of agents stationed on the Southwest border doubling to over 16,000 during that time. I'm not going to hazard a guess at how many are getting through that net of border patrol, but there's been an obvious increase in the effectiveness of border patrol agents over the last 2 decades. When you combine this with a growing percentage of illegal aliens in the US being attributed to over stayed Visas, I think it becomes surreal to even contemplate this kind of money on a wall.

When you add in how much it's going to cost to buy that land back from Cards Against Humanity, the number just goes up.
Well, outside of our disagreement on bullets, I think I follow you. But do you have a solution that secures our border without a wall or bullets? Or is the solution for guys like me to just chill out and let whoever wants just bee bop right on in? I just realized I didn't directly ask you that question before so that's my bad.
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Well, I'm against bullets as an option even if they are way cheaper. That's me.

As far as a wall goes, the cost looks astronomical. Outside of the initial cost, maintenance on something that large would be enormous. And if maintenance isn't kept up - which is likely considering all the other infrastructure like bridges and roads that have been forsaken - then you end up with a huge investment into an archaic (and likely ineffective) border monstrosity that within years would likely have multiple failure points.

Apprehensions of people crossing the border from Mexico has declined from 1.6 million in 2000 to 300,000 in 2017 with the number of agents stationed on the Southwest border doubling to over 16,000 during that time. I'm not going to hazard a guess at how many are getting through that net of border patrol, but there's been an obvious increase in the effectiveness of border patrol agents over the last 2 decades. When you combine this with a growing percentage of illegal aliens in the US being attributed to over stayed Visas, I think it becomes surreal to even contemplate this kind of money on a wall.

When you add in how much it's going to cost to buy that land back from Cards Against Humanity, the number just goes up.
Why? Hell, no wall, no singe them with a flamethrower, no bullets, how do you stop these criminals from stepping foot in our country?
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Well, outside of our disagreement on bullets, I think I follow you. But do you have a solution that secures our border without a wall or bullets? Or is the solution for guys like me to just chill out and let whoever wants just bee bop right on in? I just realized I didn't directly ask you that question before so that's my bad.
If I had a solution for illegal immigration then I would be touting it. I don't - although it does seem that strengthening our border agents on the south has had a profound effect over the last 18 years. That said, I don't think a wall is a viable answer, nor would I ever condone shooting people trying to cross the border. I don't think this is a binary discussion where the only answers are a wall or bullets.

As for you, if this is a signature issue that you care about - then by all means lead the way to find a solution. I'm not opposing you. I understand that illegal immigration needs to regulated - I don't understand why it acknowledging it as a problem that needs a solution necessitates violent rhetoric or the delusion of vastly over priced and mostly useless monuments.
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If I had a solution for illegal immigration then I would be touting it. I don't - although it does seem that strengthening our border agents on the south has had a profound effect over the last 18 years. That said, I don't think a wall is a viable answer, nor would I ever condone shooting people trying to cross the border. I don't think this is a binary discussion where the only answers are a wall or bullets.

As for you, if this is a signature issue that you care about - then by all means lead the way to find a solution. I'm not opposing you. I understand that illegal immigration needs to regulated - I don't understand why it acknowledging it as a problem that needs a solution necessitates violent rhetoric or the delusion of vastly over priced and mostly useless monuments.
I already have. Bullets are the cheapest way (for the American taxpayer) I can think of that will be near 100% successful at keeping illegals out. That's really all I got that doesn't screw the American taxpayer I was just mostly curious as to what you had idea wise.

And the second bolded, I hope that's a typo. I hope you meant illegal immigration needs to eliminated. I'm not for "regulating" anything illegal
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I already have. Bullets are the cheapest way (for the American taxpayer) I can think of that will be near 100% successful at keeping illegals out. That's really all I got that doesn't screw the American taxpayer I was just mostly curious as to what you had idea wise.

And the second bolded, I hope that's a typo. I hope you meant illegal immigration needs to eliminated. I'm not for "regulating" anything illegal
So, at what point do we choose not to use capital punishment as a deterrent for any issue the country is struggling with? Illegal immigration, opioids, domestic assault, etc.
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