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https://www.npr.org/2018/10/10/65626...ing-journalist

Trump Administration Presses Saudis For Information On Missing Journalist

More than a week has passed since Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi vanished after visiting the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul. Turkish authorities are telling journalists what they think happened, citing released video footage: that Khashoggi was targeted and murdered.

President Trump said Wednesday that he has spoken to the Saudi government "at the highest levels" about the situation.

"We cannot let this happen to reporters, to anybody. And we're going to get to the bottom of it," Trump said. He said the first lady's office was making arrangements to bring Khashoggi's fiancée, Turkish national Hatice Cengiz, to the White House.

In the days since Khashoggi disappeared, there have been few signs that the Trump administration was putting pressure on Riyadh to explain what had happened.

But in a statement Wednesday, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said that National Security Adviser John Bolton and Trump adviser Jared Kushner spoke to Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman yesterday about the matter. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo also spoke with the crown prince "to reiterate the United States' request for information," Sanders said.

The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that before Khashoggi disappeared, U.S. intelligence had intercepted communications in which the Saudis had been discussing a plot to abduct him. Khashoggi has been a contributing writer for The Post.

But on Wednesday, the State Department said the U.S. had no advance knowledge of Khashoggi's disappearance.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has not directly accused Saudi Arabia of disappearing Khashoggi. He said if they have footage of Khashoggi leaving the consulate, they should release it, the Associated Press reports. Meanwhile, a newspaper close to Erdogan published the names and photographs of 15 Saudi men whom it said were sent to Istanbul to kill Khashoggi.

The version of events described by Turkish authorities is grisly. One Turkish security official told The New York Times that within two hours of arriving at the consulate, Khashoggi had been killed and dismembered with a bone saw that the Saudi team had brought. He compared the killing to the movie Pulp Fiction.

The Post obtained a series of surveillance video clips that purport to show movements involved in the killing or abduction of Khashoggi: the journalist entering the consulate; a black Mercedes leaving the consulate and then arriving at the consul general's house; Cengiz, his fiancée, pacing outside the consulate as she makes phone calls; the Saudi men leaving an Istanbul hotel and getting on planes at the airport. The Post notes that the clips have inconsistent time stamps at one point, are too blurry to make out key license plate numbers and are heavily edited throughout.

Khashoggi is a resident of the United States and has been living in Washington, D.C. The journalist is the former editor-in-chief of a Saudi newspaper and was an adviser to Saudi government officials. Khashoggi had written columns critical of the Saudi government in The Post in the past year.
In an op-ed published in The Post on Tuesday, Khashoggi's fiancée implored Trump and the first lady to become involved in the search for answers.

"I also urge Saudi Arabia, especially King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, to show the same level of sensitivity and release CCTV footage from the consulate," Cengiz wrote. "Although this incident could potentially fuel a political crisis between the two nations, let us not lose sight of the human aspect of what happened. Jamal is a valuable person, an exemplary thinker and a courageous man who has been fighting for his principles."
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Old 10-16-2018, 06:03 PM   #91
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No sense getting into a fight with an ally over them offing one of their own. Especially considering who it was they killed.
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Old 10-16-2018, 06:19 PM   #92
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Lets have a nice tit for tat and move on. We need allies no need to get all pissy when accidents happen.
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No sense getting into a fight with an ally over them offing one of their own. Especially considering who it was they killed.
This and that.
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Old 10-16-2018, 06:36 PM   #93
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I think the play by the democrats is to geT trump to react and cause the saudies to raise oil prices. The blue collar democrats that I know don't really agree with the left on most of the issues that trump is attacked for but I have heard several older blue collar demos bitching that gas prices went up under trump. What else are the dems going to run on that blue collar dems really agree with?
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Old 10-16-2018, 06:38 PM   #94
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I think the play by the democrats is to geT trump to react and cause the saudies to raise oil prices. The blue collar democrats that I know don't really agree with the left on most of the issues that trump is attacked for but I have heard several older blue collar demos bitching that gas prices went up under trump. What else are the dems going to run on that blue collar dems really agree with?
Are you saying that the Dems somehow got Trump to send Pompeo to Saudi Arabia for an explanation? Which Dems, and how did they do it?
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Old 10-16-2018, 06:41 PM   #95
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Are you saying that the Dems somehow got Trump to send Pompeo to Saudi Arabia for an explanation? Which Dems, and how did they do it?
What he is actually saying is you are a ****ing moron.
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Old 10-16-2018, 06:46 PM   #96
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What he is actually saying is you are a ****ing moron.
Did you fart again?
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Old 10-16-2018, 06:56 PM   #97
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Pretty much this. The guy turned traitor on the house of Saud, started publishing bad press about them, then went back onto their soil.
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Old 10-16-2018, 07:08 PM   #98
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Are you saying that the Dems somehow got Trump to send Pompeo to Saudi Arabia for an explanation? Which Dems, and how did they do it?

Nope..... I am saying that I think the dems would love to persuade or put pressure on Trump to make a big move against Saudi Arabia and them to retaliate by raising oil prices. Dems would love to be able to say Trump ran up oil prices. At least they would have a gas station sign with proof, that gas prices have risen, which is more proof than most accusations against him.
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Old 10-16-2018, 07:09 PM   #99
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What he is actually saying is you are a ****ing moron.

Let me try again......Ninerdouche is a ****ing moron!
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Old 10-16-2018, 07:54 PM   #100
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Ron Paul is stirring up Paulies. Like they need stirred. Lets have a nice tit for tat and move on. We need allies no need to get all pissy when accidents happen.
Still got nuthin'. Just snark. You must be nervous about getting information outside your bubble.
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Old 10-16-2018, 07:56 PM   #101
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:02 PM   #102
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Nope..... I am saying that I think the dems would love to persuade or put pressure on Trump to make a big move against Saudi Arabia and them to retaliate by raising oil prices. Dems would love to be able to say Trump ran up oil prices. At least they would have a gas station sign with proof, that gas prices have risen, which is more proof than most accusations against him.
Except, they can’t “raise prices.” All they can do is reduce production, which does nothing more than shooting themselves in the foot, because other oil producing counties will just make up the difference. Do you think the rest of OPEC is going to go to bat for Saudi Arabia over this? No way.

Not to mention, Saudi Arabia currently wants low oil prices, because they make much of American production unprofitable. So if prices go up, American production increases, and we buy less foreign oil.

Also not to mention, we are headed in the direction of energy independence anyway. There is really not much they can do to the US in 2018.
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:12 PM   #103
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Except, they can’t “raise prices.” All they can do is reduce production, which does nothing more than shooting themselves in the foot, because other oil producing counties will just make up the difference. Do you think the rest of OPEC is going to go to bat for Saudi Arabia over this? No way.

Not to mention, Saudi Arabia currently wants low oil prices, because they make much of American production unprofitable. So if prices go up, American production increases, and we buy less foreign oil.

Also not to mention, we are headed in the direction of energy independence anyway. There is really not much they can do to the US in 2018.
Nutter econ? Neocon economics? Loon?
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Except, they can’t “raise prices.” All they can do is reduce production, which does nothing more than shooting themselves in the foot, because other oil producing counties will just make up the difference. Do you think the rest of OPEC is going to go to bat for Saudi Arabia over this? No way.

Not to mention, Saudi Arabia currently wants low oil prices, because they make much of American production unprofitable. So if prices go up, American production increases, and we buy less foreign oil.

Also not to mention, we are headed in the direction of energy independence anyway. There is really not much they can do to the US in 2018.
We are headed in the direction of energy independence? wa wa wa wait.....democrats are for this? I thought they were for energy independence as long as it was green energy? surely they don't fight drilling, pipe lines, or any other natural energy.
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