Chiefs LNBS: Aaron Murray will be our Nick Foles - Page 4

**BossChief** · 05-12-2014, 08:48 PM

I think both guys waited a year too long to enter the draft.

If Nick Foles had come out after his junior year, he would have had a chance to be a first round pick. If Aaron Murray came out last year, he would have, too. Heck, Tony Dungy said on espn last year that he would take Aaron Murray first overall if he had come out.

I know some here have said the guy won't ever have a chance to start, but I really think the kid can do everything Alex Smith did last year and then some, if given the chance.

**BossChief** · 05-12-2014, 09:54 PM

The nice thing about having Murray is they can probably start him out on pup and let Bray have his chance to lock down the 2 spot so we can cut Daniel loose and free up a bunch of money this year and next.

That will be huge if it can happen because I think a shit load of very talented vets are gonna get unexpectedly cut this offseason because of rookies taking their jobs...sure would be nice to have more money to add those guys to the roster, or to have more money to lock up guys like Houston or Berry.

**KcMizzou** · 05-12-2014, 09:55 PM

If we flip Murray for a 2nd in a couple years, great. That's the worst case scenario.

Keep drafting QB's 'till you strike gold.

**BossChief** · 05-12-2014, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Didn't he have a bad pro day or workout? Maybe that's where it started? Who knows.....I wouldn't say it's the strongest arm, but it's plenty strong enough from games I've seen him in.

Foles had a terrible pro day.

Scouts repeatedly asked him to throw certain routes with a tight spiral and he couldn't do it.

That scared off teams that play a lot in bad weather because if you can't throw those routes in the meadowlands in December, they don't want you.

Andy Reid sees things like that as correctable.

**BossChief** · 05-12-2014, 10:00 PM

Alex Smith needs to have a career year against a murderers row of good defenses next year to be locked up long term.

If he doesn't, I can see Aaron Murray having a chance to Foles him...but not as a rookie due to injury rehab...more probably in 2015 if Alex is still struggling at the halfway point.

Discuss Thrower · 05-12-2014, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Which games aainst good defenses did he struggle in last year?

298 yards 4tds 1int and a rushing td against LSU
309 yards 4tds 0ints against S Carolina
415 yards 2td passing 2rushing tds 1int against Auburn

I'm struggling to find the bad games from last year...

That's my conclusion looking at this chart: (Q'ing myself, yeah I know)

The split between bad defenses and competent ones is what I'm talking about.

TripleThreat · 05-12-2014, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

People love to throw out the term "noodle arm" without really understanding that some of the best quarterbacks of all time didn't have cannons.

Joe Montana sure as hell didn't have a cannon. Neither did Fran Tarkenton, Drew Brees, or Joe Namath.

Elvis Grbac had a cannon. So did Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, and Ryan Leaf.

So stop already with the noodle arm bullshit argument.

Honestly, Joe was always dinking and dunking for 5-6 yard gains and he has a lot of YPAC in his career as well with the RB's and crazy Jerry..

Tbh, and I know 99% would disagree, but alex plays the game a lot like Joe did... Joe never threw for 4k+ yards in his entire career (got close) but you can see how "attempts" really are a factor for how many yards a QB racks up... Montana is argued to be the greatest of all time, but by stats wise for some, he is getting out slinged by over half the NFL's QBs at the moment in terms of Yards and Touchdowns...

Everybody is always throwing around omgg best QB he threw 5k yards X amount of TD's but the people who really understand football understand that those QB's are attempting close to 200+ more passes than other QB's and are throwing the ball more in the redzone than other QB's.. And it has nothing to do with "well the coaches trust them that's why they do that". No.. Coaches like Mike Martz, Norv Turner, Sean payton will always be throw first coaches, if they don't like the QB throwing they will just get a new one, but each coach has there scheme..

(for example) Andy Reid likes to throw the ball, its not a coincidence that this last year was Alex's most attempts ever in his career and that's just Year 1 with Andy and Co... I can see those attempts sky rocketing if not at the very least more in 2014 with more time and understanding of the offense/team after Year1..

mcaj22 · 05-12-2014, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Alex Smith needs to have a career year against a murderers row of good defenses next year to be locked up long term.

If he doesn't, I can see Aaron Murray having a chance to Foles him...but not as a rookie due to injury rehab...more probably in 2015 if Alex is still struggling at the halfway point.

and if the extension comes before he plays out against murders row and we are locked into him for 3-4 seasons? Then what? Murray sits for almost 5 years?

**DeezNutz** · 05-12-2014, 10:12 PM

Murray has a weak arm, and Ford is a 34 DE.

**BossChief** · 05-12-2014, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

and if the extension comes before he plays out against murders row and we are locked into him for 3-4 seasons? Then what? Murray sits for almost 5 years?

The only extension they will give him will be a reasonable one.

They can keep him in KC the next 3 years for a total of 44 million by tagging him twice after this year.

**Ragged Robin** · 05-12-2014, 10:14 PM

Aaron Murray will be our 2013 Tyler Bray.

**BossChief** · 05-12-2014, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Murray has a weak arm, and Ford is a 34 DE.

Exactly.

Where does this shit come from?

It's a shame he got injured when he did because Murray could have Ealy helped his draft stock during the senior bowl.

Good for us, though.

**DeezNutz** · 05-12-2014, 10:16 PM

Tyler Bray is the version of Ricky Stanzi who is not holding a lottery ticket.

I hope like hell that Bray is released before the start of PS so that I never have to read his name again.

**BossChief** · 05-12-2014, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

Aaron Murray will be our 2013 Tyler Bray.

Not even close.

Bray is a guy that has a strong arm and NOTHING else. For the WCO, he is/was a big time project.

Murray could teach Bray a lot about being a quarterback.

**The Franchise** · 05-12-2014, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Tyler Bray is the version of Ricky Stanzi who is not holding a lottery ticket.

I hope like hell that Bray is released before the start of PS so that I never have to read his name again.

**BossChief** · 05-12-2014, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I hope like hell that Bray is released before the start of PS so that I never have to read his name again.

I'd tend to agree.

All I saw from Bray at camp was a guy that could throw a perfect deep pass, but had no sense for pressure, his ball security was poor, his feet were slow as shit and he seemed to force the deep ball.

Not much of that translates to the WCO without a huge project undertaking and I'm not sure Bray has what it takes between the ears to complete such a task.

05-12-2014, 08:48 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1904088	LNBS: Aaron Murray will be our Nick Foles I think both guys waited a year too long to enter the draft. If Nick Foles had come out after his junior year, he would have had a chance to be a first round pick. If Aaron Murray came out last year, he would have, too. Heck, Tony Dungy said on espn last year that he would take Aaron Murray first overall if he had come out. I know some here have said the guy won't ever have a chance to start, but I really think the kid can do everything Alex Smith did last year and then some, if given the chance.
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05-12-2014, 09:54 PM	#46
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1904088	The nice thing about having Murray is they can probably start him out on pup and let Bray have his chance to lock down the 2 spot so we can cut Daniel loose and free up a bunch of money this year and next. That will be huge if it can happen because I think a shit load of very talented vets are gonna get unexpectedly cut this offseason because of rookies taking their jobs...sure would be nice to have more money to add those guys to the roster, or to have more money to lock up guys like Houston or Berry. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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05-12-2014, 09:55 PM	#47
KcMizzou Supporter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Parkville MO Casino cash: $10005170	If we flip Murray for a 2nd in a couple years, great. That's the worst case scenario. Keep drafting QB's 'till you strike gold.
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05-12-2014, 10:00 PM	#49
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1904088	Alex Smith needs to have a career year against a murderers row of good defenses next year to be locked up long term. If he doesn't, I can see Aaron Murray having a chance to Foles him...but not as a rookie due to injury rehab...more probably in 2015 if Alex is still struggling at the halfway point. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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