****The official NEW new conference realignment thread.****

[Saul Good]

the second thread has been pronounced dead.

[warpaint*]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Does Baylor stomping through the league say more about Baylor, or more about the conference's mediocrity?

Oklahoma had already lost to a mediocre Texas team, and OU now has 2 conference losses and no quality wins to their credit. Baylor not only hasn't played a quality team yet, they don't have any on their schedule this year.

Hard to know what to make of them.

OU's decent, they just have some glaring flaws. It isn't like they're Iowa State. And Baylor hammered them. Baylor's really good, just a matter how good. I agree w/ Saul that they're probably top 10 but probably not on FSU/Ala's level.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Bambi

oh snap Bitch. That's just mean.

But it's funny.

[warpaint*]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I don't think KU has ever had their coach suspended by the NCAA and removed from the bench. I imagine they are all quite embarrassed by Haith's disgraceful admission to the authorities, but hoops is dying a slow death over in Columbia and has for quite some time.

The thing I'm embarrassed about is that we hired a hack to begin w/.

Actually embarrassed isn't the right word. Disappointed & angry yet resigned to it.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Is this a good time to start bringing up the recruiting violations that Bill Self 'allegedly' committed while at Illinois??

I mean, since we're calling out Missouri for stuff that 'allegedly' (still not proven) happened to their coach while he was still at Miami.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

Is this a good time to start bringing up the recruiting violations that Bill Self 'allegedly' committed while at Illinois??

I mean, since we're calling out Missouri for stuff that 'allegedly' (still not proven) happened to their coach while he was still at Miami.

Given that it's football season, who gives a ****?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

Is this a good time to start bringing up the recruiting violations that Bill Self 'allegedly' committed while at Illinois??

I mean, since we're calling out Missouri for stuff that 'allegedly' (still not proven) happened to their coach while he was still at Miami.

You can bring up whatever you like. Self's got a pretty good track record of 20 years D1 head coaching experience not getting teams onto probation. Let alone getting suspended from the bench by the NCAA.

[baitism]

Is TCU good at anything? They just lost to SMU in bball.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by baitism

Is TCU good at anything? They just lost to SMU in bball.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by baitism

Is TCU good at anything? They just lost to SMU in bball.

they arent good at getting anyone to show up for football, either

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by baitism

Is TCU good at anything? They just lost to SMU in bball.

They'll probably just end up being our conference's Mississippi State.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Why did the big whatever want them as a member?

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by baitism

Is TCU good at anything? They just lost to SMU in bball.

drug dealing

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Before Kirk was fired for cheating, he secretly taped a phone conversation he had with Larry Brown where he was told by Larry that one of his players, Vince Askew, was living in Lawrence considering going to Kansas. He told Kirk that he paid for a plane ticket for Askew to attend a funeral back in Memphis. Kirk thanked him for being upfront about it and promptly turned it over to the NCAA and that was the violation.


If I remember right, Kirk also tipped off the newspaper in, of all places Lexington KY where the journalist wrote a series of articles trumpeting the case. Karma hit both places soon afterwards as both Memphis and Kentucky were nailed for massive NCAA violations.

Never heard this rumor of the phone conversation before. Always heard "confidential informant to the infractions committee". Not hard to believe though. But that plane ticket wasn't the reason KU was hit with the penalty.
KU had a summer jobs program where players were paid but the players never showed up. No big deal by today's standards.

Bob Frederick had to revamp the compliance office, all that crap. Frederick was surprised they got hit at all. He never thought it would even go to the committee.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by warpaint*

OU's decent, they just have some glaring flaws. It isn't like they're Iowa State. And Baylor hammered them. Baylor's really good, just a matter how good. I agree w/ Saul that they're probably top 10 but probably not on FSU/Ala's level.

No, there are only two teams that are Iowa-State-bad in the major conferences, currently. But that doesn't make Oklahoma a quality team.

Baylor is waging the same campaign that Boise State did a few years ago. Everybody says they are good, there's no evidence to the contrary, but there's not much evidence as to whether they'd measure up against their peers in the rankings either, thanks to their conference.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Never heard this rumor of the phone conversation before. Always heard "confidential informant to the infractions committee". Not hard to believe though. But that plane ticket wasn't the reason KU was hit with the penalty.
KU had a summer jobs program where players were paid but the players never showed up. No big deal by today's standards.

Kirk knew he was going down, and from what I remember at the time he believed he could save himself by taking down some other coaches. I knew a guy who worked at the NCAA who told me off the record that Kirk was taping several AD/coaches and thought turning in a big name would save his job. What he didn't understand was the NCAA was going after everybody.


Kentucky nearly got the death penalty. The NCAA told them either fire Eddie Sutton or cancel your program for a year or two. Needless to say Kentucky fired him.

Bob Frederick had to revamp the compliance office, all that crap. Frederick was surprised they got hit at all. He never thought it would even go to the committee.

If the SWC football scandals had just been bad, rather than unbelievably brazen, the NCAA wouldn't have gone full bore. The guy I talked to said that the good academic schools in the PAC, BIG, and ACC were fed up with the nonsense going on in the South particularly in Texas at the time and demanded action or they were considering leaving the NCAA entirely.