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Okay... That seems a little weird.
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Yeah, I know. He will actually admit that Brady is elite, and refer to him as the SECOND best QB he has ever seen, but in his maniacal effort to bolster Peyton's claim as GOAT, he feels the need to rip Brady. He's especially frustrated because Peyton gets hit with the choker label, while Brady does not, despite the 10 year SB drought. There's reasons for that, of course -- like the fact that Brady, unlike Manning, does NOT have: pick sixes in SBs, or being slaughtered 43-8 in Super Bowls, and being one-and-done depsite the 2nd ranked defense in the NFL, and a losing record in the playoffs, etc. etc., but it drives him absolutely insane.
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I cherry picked 10 straight years of playoff performances where he lost 6 favored playoff games and 2 other underdog games against Peyton Manning, the biggest postseason choker ever according to this board?
I cherry picked his 4 and 8 QBR in 2 games he was favored by 8 and 13 @ home and lost to Flacco and Sanchez? WHAT IN THE **** How do you cherry pick 10 straight years of consistent postseason letdown? |
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Brady lost to Flacco at home and had an 8 QBR these are 1 and dones when they were heavily favored postseason favorites Manning lost in the Super Bowl to Seattle last year and still managed to put up a 25 QBR I'll take the Super Bowl collapse over losing a game where I'm a 13.5 favorite to go 19-0 I'd say Brady was the bigger choke between those two. |
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10 straight years of postseason ineptitude.
At best, Tom is equal to Peyton in postseason choking. I think Tom is probably the bigger choker considering he hasn't beaten Peyton when it counted since the Patriots were breaking rules (Spygate) and had the 2nd most elite defense in the NFL in the past 20 years according to Pats fans on this board |
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Wait, Brady is a bigger choker than Manning?
How does one even begin to contemplate that, let alone make a thread about it?
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Hootie, would you agree that Brady was very much clutch during the SB wins?
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Donger, I'm glad you're weighing in, considering you don't watch football.
I posted every postseason exit Brady has had from 2005 - 2013. It is not even an argument from 2005 - Present that Brady has been a far big choker in the postseason than Peyton Manning. I'd accept that if you include the years where he was a game manager for a team with an elite defense and an elite camera (spygate) he may have a point for being about as clutch/not clutch as Manning over the years ... but from '05 - '13 it's not even a debate. Brady has been the bigger choker between the two, and is also 0-2 against Manning in the postseason. The facts are undeniable. And they are facts. |
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IMO the best argument in favor of Brady being an over-rated QB is the 11 wins and ~90ish QB rating put up by Casshole in his absence. How many wins would Casshole put up in a Peyton Manning offense? Probably about the same 2 or 3 put up by whatever other slapdicks the colts were forced to play with in 2011.
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He wasn't ANTI-CLUTCH. He was great against Carolina. He managed the game and the postseason during the tuck rule run. That was Vinatieri all the way. Bledsoe got them to the Super Bowl via a AFCCG win, as well. He was pretty good against Philly, too. But clutch? No. Not clutch. He managed the games well and got them to Vinatieri range to win them. Vinatieri = clutch. Brady = managed great games. Again, Spygate definitely puts an asterisk on those, but he was better as a game managing team player than someone trying to catch up to Peyton, as clearly evidenced by 10 years of postseason ineptitude. |
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I mean, it's pretty god damn damning that Matt Cassel won 11 games with the Patriots and was a force down the stretch with that team ... and then Peyton went out and the team was SO ABYSMAL they ended up with Andrew ****ing Luck. |
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But I wouldn't do that, because it's cherry picking anyway. The SHORT answer to what happened each year, however, is simple: 2005 -- Patriots defense devastated by injuries and free agency losses, stumbles to 10-6. Has to visit a very solid (13-3) Denver team at Denver and just turns the ball over waaay too much to survive. 2006 -- Patriots have far too little offense, including limited skill at WR. Final roster -- Troy Brown, who is DONE, Reche Caldwell, Bam Childress, Jabar Gaffney and Kelvin Kight. TEs? Daniel (good blocker, but stone hands) Graham, and Ben (every measurable in the world, but just not good) Watson. Corey Dillon's last year in the NFL. Frankly, the Patriots (read, Brady and the defense) came inches from somehow dragging this pathetic bunch into a SB, where it would've easily beaten a mediocre Bears team. 2007 -- Recognizing the pathetic state of the offense, Welker and Moss are brought in. 16-0. Two easy playoff wins over pretty solid teams. Then the Giants DLine manhandles the Patriots OLine, and it wins them the game. 2008 -- Brady's knee. Cassel takes a pretty talented team to 11-5, but it's not even good enough to win the AFC East. 2009-14 -- Brady is back. Wins the AFC East EVERY year. Defense is anywhere from mediocre to awful most of these years. In the playoffs, some combination of Welker/Gronk/Talib are hurt all the time, and the Patriots have no run game worth talking about. Moss is gone, and there hasn't been anyone close to a deep threat since. It sucks, but it takes more than a great QB to win a Super Bowl. How do I know this -- BECAUSE BRADY HAS AS MANY SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONSHIPS AS PEYTON, BREES AND RODGERS COMBINED you tool.
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