Peeved Jets set deadline; Edwards talks restart - Page 3

jiveturkey · 01-05-2006, 07:31 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2281911

Negotiations aimed at completing a draft choice compensation package that would allow New York Jets head coach Herman Edwards to move to the Kansas City Chiefs in the same capacity lurched forward on Thursday evening.

But only after a long day of inertia, confusion and acrimony.

ESPN.com has learned that the Jets, who clearly no longer want Edwards to remain as coach, at one point Thursday imposed a 6 p.m. deadline for completing the compensation agreement with Kansas City officials. The Jets were prepared, if the deadline passed, to announce that Edwards had requested to be released from his contract. But just before the deadline, discussions resumed with the Chiefs, and the two franchises were again trying to find a middle ground on compensation.

Meanwhile, sources close to Edwards told ESPN.com that the coach had not requested to be released from his contract, which runs through the 2007 season. Those sources said that, had the Jets issued such a statement, legal measures might have been taken.

"Herm Edwards is not resigning," agent Gary O'Hagan told ESPN.com, emphatically, on Thursday evening. "He plans to work out the final two years of his contract."

Beyond that, O'Hagan declined comment other than to reiterate he has been involved in no discussions with Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson. His only dialogue, O'Hagan said, has been with his client and with Jets officials. O'Hagan said that reports Edwards was "out" as the Jets coach were not true.

On an unusual day, Edwards acted as if it was business as usual and was at the Jets complex putting in a full work day.

Still, semantics aside, it has become increasingly clear that, given the prolonged mating dance with the Chiefs, there is little chance Edwards can remain with the Jets for 2006. New York officials, as reported by ESPN.com on Wednesday evening, have grown both wary and weary of Edwards' perceived flirtations with a Kansas City franchise for which he previously worked.

The mind-set inside the Jets complex, one team source told ESPN.com on Wednesday and Thursday, is that if Edwards doesn't want to stick around, then it's better that he leave. One way or another, it appears, Edwards will not be back. If a deal with the Chiefs can't be struck, the Jets may be forced to fire Edwards.

Jets officials have already begun drawing up a list of potential replacements.

One other NFL franchise, which has not been identified, has made inquiries about Edwards. But that team has not formally opened talks with the Jets and is believed to now be moving in another direction for a new head coach.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported earlier Thursday that talks between the Chiefs and Jets had stalled and that closing the deal was becoming increasingly difficult. The reluctance of Peterson to consummate a compensation package, Mortensen was told by sources, was a function of some sentiment around the NFL that the frustrated Jets might just eventually fire Edwards. Under that scenario, the Chiefs or any other franchise could hire Edwards without having to compensate the Jets at all.

On Wednesday, ESPN.com reported that, under the parameters of the compensation package that had been discussed, the Chiefs would not part with a first-round choice. It is believed the teams have discussed compensation that would include only two middle-round choices, although it is unclear if both would be in the 2006 draft.

Any compensation package agreed to by the Chiefs and Jets must still be approved by commissioner Paul Tagliabue.

In his five seasons with the Jets, Edwards has compiled a 41-46 record, taken the team to the playoffs three times and won one division title. But his salary, about $2 million per year, ranks in the bottom quadrant of head coaches. And facing a major rebuilding program, it is believed Edwards has sought a salary increase and possibly a contract extension.

Among the potential candidates to replace Edwards, if he does depart, is former New Orleans coach Jim Haslett, dismissed earlier this week. But a Jets official told ESPN.com that, while there is some interest in Haslett, most of the dialogue has been initiated by his agent. And the official conceded that hiring a coach who had an even worse record in 2005 than Edwards did would be a difficult sell to Jets fans.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.

**pr_capone** · 01-05-2006, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

By the way, need any draft picks?

FAX

I'll trade you nascher for a 7th round pick.... I'll even throw in a 4th pick!

Logical · 01-05-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

he sure didn't bend Miami over ... maybe a draw.

carl did a good trade for willie roaf

but we'll see what happens. i'm not that hyped about Edwards anyway. I would rather risk losing Edwards completely than give them a draft pick for a bleh coach(imo).

I agree, but being realistic Carl obviously wants him bad. So I am hoping we only give up like a 5th and 6th or worst case 4th and 5th. Facing reality we are not likely to get any help there anyway with Carl at the helm so it is kind of hard to get distraught over picks that low..

**Skip Towne** · 01-05-2006, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

He has not even turned Iowa into a BCS power, it would take a miracle for Ferentz to overcome Carl and turn the Chiefs into a BCS powerhouse.

Don't you have to beat Iowa State before becoming a BCS Powerhouse?

**pr_capone** · 01-05-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

eggzactly... no way you give up a draft pick a this point

you might get Edwards for nothing and even if you don't you have other guys available. I don't see that Edwards is so special to warrant any kind of special effort/price.

My thoughts exactly. I would on the other hand be willing to give up draft picks for Williams or Rivera if NFL rules did not prohibit giving up draft pick compensation for a Coordinator.

BTW...... you sig is mesmerizing. That is my all time favorite scene from The New Guy.

Mr. Laz · 01-05-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

I agree, but being realistic Carl obviously wants him bad. So I am hoping we only give up like a 5th and 6th or worst case 4th and 5th. Facing reality we are not likely to get any help there anyway with Carl at the helm so it is kind of hard to get distraught over picks that low..

your asking me to base something on "Carl's want" when that's a significant part of the chiefs problems imo.

is Edwards so much better than everyone else that is worth ANY additional cost?

not in my book

i don't give a flying flip whether he's carl's buddy or not

Mr. Laz · 01-05-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

My thoughts exactly. I would on the other hand be willing to give up draft picks for Williams or Rivera if NFL rules did not prohibit giving up draft pick compensation for a Coordinator.

BTW...... you sig is mesmerizing. That is my all time favorite scene from The New Guy.

actually think the position beind offered is what determines trading picks or not.

we are offering a head coaching position therefore trading picks for virtually anyone is allowed.

Teams just aren't allowed to trade a draft pick for filling a assistant position.

i worry about whether Rivera has been riding the head coach's coat tails or not. Has he ever had success without a defensive HC above him?

JohnnyV13 · 01-05-2006, 08:59 PM

Honestly, I think the Jets are playing the NY media.

The Jets want to get rid of Herm but want draft picks for him. They leak Kansas City rumors to get the REAL target to step in and bid with draft picks.

Fact is, KC makes a great rumor. KC has a job opening, Herm has a history with KC and Carl Peterson, and KC has a history of giving up draft picks for a coach.

FAX · 01-05-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

Honestly, I think the Jets are playing the NY media.

The Jets want to get rid of Herm but want draft picks for him. They leak Kansas City rumors to get the REAL target to step in and bid with draft picks.

Fact is, KC makes a great rumor. KC has a job opening, Herm has a history with KC and Carl Peterson, and KC has a history of giving up draft picks for a coach.

**** the NY media. And **** the competition, too. We have more draft picks than anybody and we're willing to buy coaches with them anyplace, anytime.

I pity the team that thinks they can out draft pick spend us.

FAX

**gblowfish** · 01-05-2006, 09:03 PM

We probably would have had a deal by now, but Carl started screaming

and STFD when the Jet's team chaplain walked into Herm's office...

Mr. Laz · 01-05-2006, 09:07 PM

just saw on t.v. that Edwards told his assistant coaches thursday morning that he is gone.

why is the world would we give them ANYTHING now?

KCJake · 01-05-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JBucc

The Jets have no choice but to accept Carl's terms and take two low draft choices, or they will have to fire him and get nothing but a battle over money with Herm.

That's what im thinking

FAX · 01-05-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

Sorry FAX.

Can't make that promise.

You negotiate like a girl.

Okay ... 584 draft picks.

FAX

siberian khatru · 01-05-2006, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

Honestly, I think the Jets are playing the NY media.

The Jets want to get rid of Herm but want draft picks for him. They leak Kansas City rumors to get the REAL target to step in and bid with draft picks.

Fact is, KC makes a great rumor. KC has a job opening, Herm has a history with KC and Carl Peterson, and KC has a history of giving up draft picks for a coach.

I think the Chiefs are playing the NY media by exacerbating tensions between Herm and the Jets. They want to make it impossible for the Jets to keep Herm as coach. Carl lured them out on a limb, asking what their compensation would be. The media jumped on it, Herm's all but out of town, suddenly Carl pulls back and says, "Nah, too rich for me. Bye." Now the Jets are stuck with a veritable lame-duck coach who's still under contract. They can keep him, when all the Big Apple knows 1) Herm wants to go, and 2) the Jets were willing to let him go. That would be fun heading into the 06 season.

So Carl's waiting to see if the pressure makes the Jets fire Herm, or if they settle for late-round picks.

mcan · 01-05-2006, 09:27 PM

Even if Herm Edwards was fired, and we got him for nothing, I still don't see how he is more qualified than Al Saunders.

I just see this assinine wheel spinning... Al's job was to put the ball in the end zone. And that's what he did, pretty much without fail, over and over and over and over again... I just don't see why there is any reason to believe he wouldn't do just as fabulous of a job as a head coach...

FAX · 01-05-2006, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcan

Even if Herm Edwards was fired, and we got him for nothing, I still don't see how he is more qualified than Al Saunders.

I just see this assinine wheel spinning... Al's job was to put the ball in the end zone. And that's what he did, pretty much without fail, over and over and over and over again... I just don't see why there is any reason to believe he wouldn't do just as fabulous of a job as a head coach...

Yes, but ... what would we do with all these draft picks?

FAX

01-05-2006, 07:31 PM
jiveturkey Captain Kick Ass Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Kansas Casino cash: $9305197	Peeved Jets set deadline; Edwards talks restart http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2281911 Negotiations aimed at completing a draft choice compensation package that would allow New York Jets head coach Herman Edwards to move to the Kansas City Chiefs in the same capacity lurched forward on Thursday evening. But only after a long day of inertia, confusion and acrimony. ESPN.com has learned that the Jets, who clearly no longer want Edwards to remain as coach, at one point Thursday imposed a 6 p.m. deadline for completing the compensation agreement with Kansas City officials. The Jets were prepared, if the deadline passed, to announce that Edwards had requested to be released from his contract. But just before the deadline, discussions resumed with the Chiefs, and the two franchises were again trying to find a middle ground on compensation. Meanwhile, sources close to Edwards told ESPN.com that the coach had not requested to be released from his contract, which runs through the 2007 season. Those sources said that, had the Jets issued such a statement, legal measures might have been taken. "Herm Edwards is not resigning," agent Gary O'Hagan told ESPN.com, emphatically, on Thursday evening. "He plans to work out the final two years of his contract." Beyond that, O'Hagan declined comment other than to reiterate he has been involved in no discussions with Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson. His only dialogue, O'Hagan said, has been with his client and with Jets officials. O'Hagan said that reports Edwards was "out" as the Jets coach were not true. On an unusual day, Edwards acted as if it was business as usual and was at the Jets complex putting in a full work day. Still, semantics aside, it has become increasingly clear that, given the prolonged mating dance with the Chiefs, there is little chance Edwards can remain with the Jets for 2006. New York officials, as reported by ESPN.com on Wednesday evening, have grown both wary and weary of Edwards' perceived flirtations with a Kansas City franchise for which he previously worked. The mind-set inside the Jets complex, one team source told ESPN.com on Wednesday and Thursday, is that if Edwards doesn't want to stick around, then it's better that he leave. One way or another, it appears, Edwards will not be back. If a deal with the Chiefs can't be struck, the Jets may be forced to fire Edwards. Jets officials have already begun drawing up a list of potential replacements. One other NFL franchise, which has not been identified, has made inquiries about Edwards. But that team has not formally opened talks with the Jets and is believed to now be moving in another direction for a new head coach. ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported earlier Thursday that talks between the Chiefs and Jets had stalled and that closing the deal was becoming increasingly difficult. The reluctance of Peterson to consummate a compensation package, Mortensen was told by sources, was a function of some sentiment around the NFL that the frustrated Jets might just eventually fire Edwards. Under that scenario, the Chiefs or any other franchise could hire Edwards without having to compensate the Jets at all. On Wednesday, ESPN.com reported that, under the parameters of the compensation package that had been discussed, the Chiefs would not part with a first-round choice. It is believed the teams have discussed compensation that would include only two middle-round choices, although it is unclear if both would be in the 2006 draft. Any compensation package agreed to by the Chiefs and Jets must still be approved by commissioner Paul Tagliabue. In his five seasons with the Jets, Edwards has compiled a 41-46 record, taken the team to the playoffs three times and won one division title. But his salary, about $2 million per year, ranks in the bottom quadrant of head coaches. And facing a major rebuilding program, it is believed Edwards has sought a salary increase and possibly a contract extension. Among the potential candidates to replace Edwards, if he does depart, is former New Orleans coach Jim Haslett, dismissed earlier this week. But a Jets official told ESPN.com that, while there is some interest in Haslett, most of the dialogue has been initiated by his agent. And the official conceded that hiring a coach who had an even worse record in 2005 than Edwards did would be a difficult sell to Jets fans. Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.
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mcan Apr 13,1949 – Dec 15, 2011 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $9996085	Even if Herm Edwards was fired, and we got him for nothing, I still don't see how he is more qualified than Al Saunders. I just see this assinine wheel spinning... Al's job was to put the ball in the end zone. And that's what he did, pretty much without fail, over and over and over and over again... I just don't see why there is any reason to believe he wouldn't do just as fabulous of a job as a head coach...
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