Rufus: Getting a QB is luck and luck alone! - Page 3

Hammock Parties · 11-14-2007, 08:57 PM

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DAWES: CALL & RESPONSE – "It's luck, pure and simple"
Nov 14, 2007, 1:38:56 AM by Rufus Dawes - FAQ

CALL: I can guess what you think of the story [in the Kansas City Star, November 6, 2007] about not giving big money to running backs and [trying to] develop your own quarterback…. Brodie Croyle’s here now so I guess we’ll see.

RESPONSE: You can take all the guesswork out of it: running backs have short life-spans so I don’t necessarily disagree; developing quarterbacks, however, is not such an easy task and the Kansas City Star columnist’s thoughts here expose a surprising ignorance of the state of the position in today’s NFL. The comment in the Star was “Damn near every team in the league has drafted and started its own homegrown quarterback. Not the Chiefs.” (November 6, 2007)

Despite this pronouncement, however, the available evidence is overwhelming in rejecting this idea that if you really give it a go, as it were, in developing your own quarterback you will ultimately find success. Not even a simple majority of teams as it turns out has done so successfully, if one cares to look. Drafting and starting would appear to be the easy part.

Detroit hasn’t developed a superstar quarterback since, well, Bobby Layne. Currently less than half of the teams in the NFL have starting quarterbacks that they developed and the verdict is out on at least seven others who are currently starting for teams that drafted them. Only 14 of the 32 current starting quarterbacks are with their original teams.

In the jury-is-still-out category here are the questions: Is J.P. Losman the successor to Jim Kelly? Is Jason Campbell going to run Al Saunders’ offense the way he would like it run? Is Tarvaris Jackson a worthy successor to the legacy of Fran Tarkenton? How about Kellin Clemens? Is he the next Joe Namath? What about Alex Smith? Does he resemble Joe Montana in San Francisco in some way? Finally, will Jay Cutler dim memories of John Elway? The “damn” verdict is still out on all these players.

Baltimore head coach Brian Billick has long been considered to be an offensive guru and developer of quarterbacks. Yet, his starting quarterback came from Tennessee – the Titans, not the Volunteers. Meanwhile, one of the top QBs in the NFL this year is Cleveland’s Derek Anderson who’s thrown for 20 touchdowns already. He came from Baltimore. How’d Billick miss developing him? “Damn.”

Wasn’t Jon Gruden supposed to be the developer of quarterbacks? But he won the Super Bowl with Tony Dungy’s quarterback and hasn’t been able to “develop” his own, “damn” it. He’s playing with a quarterback now who’s been with five prior professional teams: Calgary, San Francisco, Detroit, Philadelphia, and Tampa Bay.

What do you suppose Jerry Glanville, then Atlanta Falcons head coach, was thinking when he traded Brett Favre to the Green Bay Packers? Did he not want to bother with that “damn” development? I mean, he had Chris Miller after all. Who, you say?

Myth is taken variously to designate imaginary phenomena, falsehoods, and traditional stories, allegories, images, and archetypes that express a people’s worldview. This image or story of a young quarterback being groomed by the team that drafted him and finding success is simply not accurate. Would Tom Brady ever been “developed” had Drew Bledsoe not been injured? Most likely it’s just like that – luck, pure and simple — unless you get the first pick of the draft and you’re smart enough to get Peyton Manning and not Ryan Leaf. You don’t stop trying, but it’s usually luck in the end. “Damn” it all.

RJ · 11-14-2007, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Rypien and Morall were big stars in their eras.

Big reach, KCJ. Morrall started for the Colts that season only because Unitas was injured. As to Rypien, I sure don't remember him as a "big star". Maybe my memory is fuzzy?

**cdcox** · 11-14-2007, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Rypien and Morall were big stars in their eras.

I watched both play.

Rypien went to two probowls. He was about equivalent to Matt Hasselback today. A decent QB, but not someone that I'd build a franchise around.

Morrall did start a large number of games over his 20 year career, but was genearally regarded as a journeyman. He was probably a bit better than that, since the league had fewere teams back then. But not a "big star."

RJ · 11-14-2007, 11:52 PM

Morrall played for 6 teams.

Mecca · 11-14-2007, 11:55 PM

Mark Rypien had a great year their bowl year, he was pretty average outside of that.

KCJohnny · 11-14-2007, 11:59 PM

1991 was arguably Rypien's best season; he threw for 3,564 yards and 28 touchdowns with 11 interceptions, leading the Redskins to Super Bowl XXVI after recording a 14-2 regular season record. He was named the MVP (Most Valuable Player) of the game, passing for 292 yards and 2 touchdowns and leading his team to a 37-24 win over the Buffalo Bills. Rypien was named to the Pro Bowl in both 1989 and 1991.

**alanm** · 11-15-2007, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

A lot of these guys flat out STUNK in their first seasons. Aikman went 1-15!!!!
Brady, Warner and Young were just back up QBs who were thrust into the starting position because the #1 QB was injured. So Carl/Rufus is right in some regard.

John Unitas and Len Dawson were bench warmers early in their careers. Some of the greatest never made it to the big dance - Dan Fouts, Warren Moon, John Brodie, Jim Everett, Archie Manning, Jim Hart, etc...

John, You had me until you mentioned Everett. In no way, shape, or form should he be listed among the greatest.

At least Ferragamo got the Rams to a SB. Everett was kinda like Jeff George. All arm, no brains. Ferragamo on the other hand is a MD now.

Rasputin · 11-15-2007, 12:28 AM

IMO/Having our own home grown QB allows us to build a long term team that gives us manny years of SB attempts. Building a team around a young QB and getting better each year making the playoffs with the same QB allows us a bigger window of opportunity to get to the Super Bowl. Aikmans first year 1-15, but they put the peases together and built themself a dynasty. Peyton Manning 3-13 his first year, but they grew as a team and have had manny shots at the playoffs and finally got the SB. If the Colts disregarded Peyton after his first year and went with an old vet like the Chiefs do then they probabley wouldn't have won a Super Bowl.

We had Joe Montana for a short time, no Super Bowl. Bono sucked, Dave Kreig sucked, Gannon & Elvi Grrbitch WTF happend? Trent was our longest active QB under Carl Peterson but only had one real shot at a Super Bowl but we didn't have a defense to stop Indy 2003. Then Trent & the team got old quick and so go's the history of the KC Chiefs.

I think we are finally doing the right thing and building upon the QBOTF Brodie Croyle.

Logical · 11-15-2007, 01:48 AM

The flaw with the story is that most of the QBs were young when traded or picked up off waivers/free agency. Not example comparable to the Chiefs history.

ILChief · 11-15-2007, 06:13 AM

GOOD GOD WILL THEY STOP WITH THE RUFUS CRAP!!!!!

EMBARASSING

**BigRedChief** · 11-15-2007, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

It's really tough to win a Super Bowl!
It's really tough to win an AFC championship!
It's really tough to win a playoff game!
It's really tough to find good players!
It's really tough to compete in the NFL!

In other words, people, DON'T HOLD ME TO SOME RIDICULOUS STANDARD! Especially after 19 ****ing seasons!

Hey, I keep the stadium clean, I supply the uniforms. I let you in the parking lot early so you can hold cookouts and shit. What more do you ****ing want!?!

**BigRedChief** · 11-15-2007, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

GOOD GOD WILL THEY STOP WITH THE RUFUS CRAP!!!!!

EMBARASSING

It is beyond embrassing. Using an annonymus writer to lash out at the media on your own website is so wrong on so many levels.

11-14-2007, 08:57 PM
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