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Old 05-05-2014, 10:25 AM  
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:21 PM   #286
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If the Chiefs lose Smith it obviously makes the draft pick trade look even worse, but Dorsey would have to be applauded for not throwing good money after bad.

The trade is a sunk cost at this point. If he's not worth $15 million a year, and he's not, then don't give it to him.

Him leaving could be the best thing to happen to the Chiefs. They can't win with this current group as is, so don't try and build a skyscraper with a shitty foundation.
agree, but it begs the question: what the hell did they think he was going to ask for in a contract?

they thought he was good enough to give up 2nds for but not good enough to pay top QB money?

the logic beaks down....they believed he was 'the guy' to lead the franchise, but that he would only ask for Thigpen money??

i'd like dorsey to walk us through it
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:21 PM   #287
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I think Aaron Murray goes a lot higher than most here think.
Me too. I keep reading articles about him being a mid-round "steal," which makes me think, well then, why hasn't his draft stock risen? I know, the ACL...yeah, yeah...but still...?
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agree, but it begs the question: what the hell did they think he was going to ask for in a contract?

they thought he was good enough to give up 2nds for but not good enough to pay top QB money?

the logic beaks down....they believed he was 'the guy' to lead the franchise, but that he would only ask for Thigpen money??

i'd like dorsey to walk us through it
This.

It begs the question of what did they hope would happen? He would come in, not play as well, ask for less money? If thats the case, they're bigger morons than they appear.
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So far in his tenure, our GM isn't looking very good. At all.

Not necessarily in this "not paying Smith" thing, which I'm fine with either way, it just makes the acquirement all the more stupid.
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Casserly just said he spoke with someone involved in the negotiations with Alex Smith and they are "nowhere" in the talks and he guaranteed the Chiefs take a QB.

Said he wouldn't guarantee it would be with the first pick, but that he guarantees they take a QB in the draft.
****ing train wreck. I never thought I would be wishing Carl, or even worse, Pioli was back running things.
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:24 PM   #291
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Being the Chiefs, it's pretty obvious what's about to go down.

We'll draft a QB in the first round in hopes to be the successor next year when Smith leaves. Smith will end up having a monster year, we'll let him walk or something, he'll go on to have great success elsewhere, our first round QB will end up sucking.

End of tale.
I doubt the brain trust here of Andy Reid, his coaches and John Dorsey would be reluctant to sign Alex Smith to a big deal unless there were legit reasons for that reluctance.

I mean, Andy Reid pushed to give Mike Vick a 100 million dollar contract in Philly.
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I doubt the brain trust here of Andy Reid, his coaches and John Dorsey would be reluctant to sign Alex Smith to a big deal unless there were legit reasons for that reluctance.

I mean, Andy Reid pushed to give Mike Vick a 100 million dollar contract in Philly.
God, this is a good point.
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I doubt the brain trust here of Andy Reid, his coaches and John Dorsey would be reluctant to sign Alex Smith to a big deal unless there were legit reasons for that reluctance.

I mean, Andy Reid pushed to give Mike Vick a 100 million dollar contract in Philly.
If you have that much reluctance, a year after giving up what you gave up for him.....well, I'll let you decide on how to feel about that I guess.
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Frankly, I think it's all posturing for something. It's draft week.
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If the Chiefs lose Smith it obviously makes the draft pick trade look even worse, but Dorsey would have to be applauded for not throwing good money after bad.
There's zero positive out of that trade if Smith walks after year 2. The end result is still a total disaster of a trade, and two years of the latest attempt at a rebuild utterly wasted. Less bad than it could have been is not grounds for a pat on the back.
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Which round would you be fine with drafting Murray in?
If we had our 2nd round pick from the 49ers (56th overall? Something like that?) I'd draft him at that spot.

I'm pretty certain Murray will be gone by our pick in the 3rd. Given the team's interest in a QB and reports of the negotiations, if we don't trade down at all and by some miracle he's there at our pick in the 3rd, I would draft him without blinking. Then I would drive over to Tom Condon's house, kick his dog in the throat, and take a shit in his kitchen sink.

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agree, but it begs the question: what the hell did they think he was going to ask for in a contract?

they thought he was good enough to give up 2nds for but not good enough to pay top QB money?

the logic beaks down....they believed he was 'the guy' to lead the franchise, but that he would only ask for Thigpen money??

i'd like dorsey to walk us through it
Alex Smith has made public comments about taking less money to be a tam player...it's only recently that he has made his "I'm leaving it up to my agent" type comments.

It's plausible that they gave up more than expected because they were factoring in his sign ability factor and now that factor isn't in play any longer.
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I doubt the brain trust here of Andy Reid, his coaches and John Dorsey would be reluctant to sign Alex Smith to a big deal unless there were legit reasons for that reluctance.

I mean, Andy Reid pushed to give Mike Vick a 100 million dollar contract in Philly.
i doubt clark is hot to give anynone a $100 mill contract...maybe he'd like the QB to win something first, you know to actually deserve it


i think we can abandon the idea, as well, that Smith is willing to play for less just because he's a swell guy
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****ing train wreck. I never thought I would be wishing Carl, or even worse, Pioli was back running things.
I wouldn't go that far.
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