****The Official NEW new new conference realignment & shit talk thread****

[Saul Good]

Let's do it.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

There's absolutely no benefit for Mizzou playing SLU in St. Louis, even at Scottrade.

I wish there were Wichita St. fans like you.

[TambaBerry]

Originally Posted by TribalElder

nobody gives a **** about KU or basketball

Clearly from all the mu fans crying about not being able to play ku.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Zeke

12-4 and #1 RPI... but this is definitely a "down" year for Kansas thus far.

Most of KU's rivals would take that as their best year.

Most of our rivals would take our best football year too.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by RustShack

The Bubu Palo situation at Iowa State is crazy.

Wait I just caught this-is his name pronounced "boo boo"? Please say yes.

[Scott Pilgrim]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

There's absolutely no benefit for Mizzou playing SLU in St. Louis, even at Scottrade.

I do agree with your point about Chaifetz Arena, though. It creates a much better atmosphere for SLU games. While it usually doesn't sell out until later in conference play, it at least seems more filled than playing at the larger Scottrade Center.

What's the point of playing any game? It helps recruiting in St Louis because it will get lots of attention more than the bragging rights game because in St Louis Illinois is not nearly as popular as SLU that's one positive... It's a great rpi game that's 2.
And it actually gets you prepared for the conference schedule which obviously Mizzou needed. Only drawback is you could possibly lose the game but is losing to SLU really a negative pre new arena era made since now not so much

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Wait I just caught this-is his name pronounced "boo boo"? Please say yes.

Lol yes. His twitter name is Double Boo

[RustShack]

But here's what happened.

Last year he was suspended for being accused of rape. After the charges were dropped because the girl tampered with evidence to make him look guilty he was reinstated. That's when Iowa State started to click last year.

Then after a great showing in summer league and being slated to start this year, the president out of no where decides to kick him off the team after it's too late for him to transfer without sitting out, or for us to fill his scholarship.

Why the **** kick him off the team when charges were dropped and you already let him come back? And why wait so long on top of that?

[jjjayb]

Nice game tonight Mizzwho. Cheater Haith really has these guys ready to play doesn't he?

[RustShack]

Is it just me, or is the whole B1G so overrated this year in basketball besides Michigan State?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

To the contrary, St. Louis and Wichita State have been performing at a similar caliber for the last few decades. Since 2006, Wichita State has only averaged 1.5 more wins per season than SLU and both teams only made the tournament in each of the last two seasons.

And their levels of tournament success are the same, right? Little bit of a difference there.

WSU has been a consistently good basketball program for about 15 years, starting with Turgeon taking over and continuing with Gregg Marshall. Who is an excellent basketball coach and has proven he can reload his roster and continue to find success. Jim Crews still needs to show he can do that for SLU.

Side note: Marshall was my favored choice to replace Anderson when he left for Arkansas.

Originally Posted by Scott Pilgrim

I would say the biggest change in the program was the on campus arena/practice facility. that building has changed everything and it aint going anywhere. the current freshman class is as good as all but one of RM obviously they are not the minutes due to starting 5 seniors (the one great RM class) but they are shining when out there. I would bet the farm that SLU will be back in the tournament not next year (losing 5 seniors starters does that) but the next. with Mizzou's generally weak non conference schedule there is no reason not to do a 1-1-1 one game in both home arenas and one in Scot trade or more than likely the dome. lot of money to be made for both programs

The class that had Willie Reed and Kwamain Mitchell in it was pretty excellent for SLU. Either of those guys would have contributed for this team as a freshman and played more minutes than Manning or Barnett.

As far as the bolded part, here's the thing. Mizzou is going to play 12-13 nonconference games as part of its schedule year-to-year.

1 of those is going to be the Bragging Rights Game against Illinois. More on that in a minute.
1 of those is going to be part of the SEC/Big 12 challenge. This can be home or away.
5-8 of those will be home games to fill out the home schedule and complete a season ticket package. 5/year are locked down as pure home games. On years when Mizzou isn't competing in a preseason tourney of some sort (because of NCAA limits), they fill the schedule space with home games.
3-4 will be held open to compete in a preseason tournament
2 will be used for ongoing home-home series with other big conference teams like UCLA or NC State. Previously, they held 1 game for this in the nonconference schedule, but are planning to do 2 moving forward because the conference schedule isn't as strong.

That doesn't leave room for a home-and-home series against a midmajor.It's a numbers game. If it was a 2 or 3 for 1, Mizzou could have enough flexibility to do it. But it's not -and should not - going to commit to a home-and-home with an in-state mid-major, especially one that has been as inconsistent as SLU.

Not when the opportunity cost is sacrificing the scheduling flexibility to participate in a strong preseason tournament or not having a slot to play a home-and-home against teams like UCLA or NC State.

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

2010-2011 was a season straight out of a hell. At least two of the team's top players were involved with alleged rape(which I believe turned out to be a false claim of rape as Mitchell was cleared and redshirted that season) and that was Majerus' only season under .500 as HC in 20+ years as a HC. Ever.

I think Crews has made huge strides in recruiting. Yes, the recruiting class from last year isn't great, but that's due to staff not recruiting in the fall due to Majerus' absence.

SLU has 3 commits so far for next year, 1 of which should be an immediate upgrade over the projected starting center next year(Manning or Agbeko). Next year, Crews has to show how SLU can play with his players. Losing Jett, Evans, Loe, and McCall is definitely a huge blow, but I think at least Loe can be replaced(I like how he's progressed, but that doesn't mean he isn't replaceable). Losing Evans might hurt more than Jett, but Jett's defensive game is pretty damn good. And his offensive game has improved as well.

Losing Barnett shouldn't be a problem either, though he has played better as of late.

But, there's no reason for Mizzou to play SLU, unless it's at a neutral court(i.e: Sprint Center, though it would probably be predominantly Mizzou basketball fans).

Next year and the year after will be very tellling for Crews. He must prove he and his staff can recruit unranked players who play well above their ranking.

Reynolds and Roby at least have some other respectable offers (LSU, Iowa, Vanderbilt - all coaches who can ID talent).

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

There's absolutely no benefit for Mizzou playing SLU in St. Louis, even at Scottrade.

I do agree with your point about Chaifetz Arena, though. It creates a much better atmosphere for SLU games. While it usually doesn't sell out until later in conference play, it at least seems more filled than playing at the larger Scottrade Center.

You're exactly right. That benefits SLU, not Mizzou.

Originally Posted by Scott Pilgrim

What's the point of playing any game? It helps recruiting in St Louis because it will get lots of attention more than the bragging rights game because in St Louis Illinois is not nearly as popular as SLU that's one positive... It's a great rpi game that's 2.
And it actually gets you prepared for the conference schedule which obviously Mizzou needed. Only drawback is you could possibly lose the game but is losing to SLU really a negative pre new arena era made since now not so much

Only on Billikens.com can you sell the idea that a Mizzou/SLU matchup would get more attention than Missouri/Illinois... a nationally branded rivalry game that is on prime time ESPN every year. Get out of here with that stuff.

We'll see how popular SLU is next season. And we'll see what its RPI is next season.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

@JayhawkSlant: BREAKING: DE Daniel Wise picks #KU over offers from Texas Tech, Missouri, Colorado and others http://t.co/GbbqL0My17 #kufball

Nice pickup for KU.

Mizzou tried to get in on him late, once Jhonny Williams decommitted to go to Notre Dame (remember that name, BTW), but it looks like longer relationships won out.

If Mizzou likes a DE, he's probably pretty damn good.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah, reading some of that Strong stuff, I feel like it's either going to be a smashing success or an epic disaster.

That hardline act can get old in a hurry.

It will work as long as you keep winning. Unfortunately for Texas, wins don't come easy in recent years.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

As far as the bolded part, here's the thing. Mizzou is going to play 12-13 nonconference games as part of its schedule year-to-year.

1 of those is going to be the Bragging Rights Game against Illinois. More on that in a minute.
1 of those is going to be part of the SEC/Big 12 challenge. This can be home or away.
5-8 of those will be home games to fill out the home schedule and complete a season ticket package. 5/year are locked down as pure home games. On years when Mizzou isn't competing in a preseason tourney of some sort (because of NCAA limits), they fill the schedule space with home games.
3-4 will be held open to compete in a preseason tournament
2 will be used for ongoing home-home series with other big conference teams like UCLA or NC State. Previously, they held 1 game for this in the nonconference schedule, but are planning to do 2 moving forward because the conference schedule isn't as strong.

That doesn't leave room for a home-and-home series against a midmajor.It's a numbers game. If it was a 2 or 3 for 1, Mizzou could have enough flexibility to do it. But it's not -and should not - going to commit to a home-and-home with an in-state mid-major, especially one that has been as inconsistent as SLU.

Not when the opportunity cost is sacrificing the scheduling flexibility to participate in a strong preseason tournament or not having a slot to play a home-and-home against teams like UCLA or NC State.

You're exactly right. That benefits SLU, not Mizzou.


Only on Billikens.com can you sell the idea that a Mizzou/SLU matchup would get more attention than Missouri/Illinois... a nationally branded rivalry game that is on prime time ESPN every year. Get out of here with that stuff.

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Are you talking about what you're telling SLU, or what Kansas is telling you? Because those are carbon copy, identical arguments we gave you that you rejected. Yet you use the same ones on SLU.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Are you talking about what you're telling SLU, or what Kansas is telling you? Because those are carbon copy, identical arguments we gave you that you rejected. Yet you use the same ones on SLU.

That's what I'm telling SLU.

Mizzou vs. SLU and Mizzou vs. KU are apples to orangutans.

If... SLU was in a major conference and not a very marginally recognized national name
If... Mizzou and SLU had a hundred years of playing history
If... Mizzou and SLU had played in the same conference and competed regularly for conference titles over several decades

Then it might be apples to apples.

I'm over KU and Mizzou not playing, though. I understand the logical argument you can make against KU scheduling that game. I do think that a MU/KU matchup would be much more profitable than MU/SLU. Guaranteed national broadcast, long rivalry and tradition of hatred, etc.

[greatgooglymoogly]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

That's what I'm telling SLU.

Mizzou vs. SLU and Mizzou vs. KU are apples to orangutans.

If... SLU was in a major conference and not a very marginally recognized national name
If... Mizzou and SLU had a hundreds year of playing history
If... Mizzou and SLU had played in the same conference and competed regularly for conference titles over several decades

Then it might be apples to apples.

I'm over KU and Mizzou not playing, though. I understand the logical argument you can make against KU scheduling that game. I do think that a MU/KU matchup would be much more profitable than MU/SLU. Guaranteed national broadcast, long rivalry and tradition of hatred, etc.

There's a decent chance SLU moves to the Big East in the next couple of years. Is the Big East still a major conference? Would it be worth it for Mizzou to play a game on FS1? Honestly, SLU-Mizzou in Columbia on the SEC Network would probably get more viewers. There's no reason for Mizzou to give SLU a home and home, they already play Illinois @ Scottrade.