Chiefs Glenn Dorsey's role in the 3-4 - Page 3

**Bowser** · 02-27-2009, 02:01 PM

With Vrabel coming in, I think we can officially say we are going to be a 3-4 team in '09. This leaves Dorsey kind of in positional limbo, according to those who know D-Line play better than I.

What will his role be? No way is he going to be a Haloti Ngata type at tackle, so end it is. What is the problem with Dorsey at end in a 3-4? He couldn't possibly be anymore out of position there than the way they used him last year, right? And isn't one of his strengths rushing the passer?

Please enlighten those of us not as adept at d-line, 4-3/3-4 play.

ChiefsCountry · 02-27-2009, 02:51 PM

Gibbs wanted Dorsey for the Saints last year so there is some hope for him. I dont think they will go to 3-4 fulltime, probally a flex between the two.

**The Bad Guy** · 02-27-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

You mean, we have another choice? we dont have to give him a shot in the 3-4? lol

We could stomp our feet and carry on this message board like we are 5 year olds who just found out they weren't getting a pony for christmas.

ChiefsCountry · 02-27-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Seymour is more than a little taller than Dorsey. I wasn't trying to compare the two, anyway, just saying that's how I'd imagine they'll use him - as a sort of flex tackle/end hybrid.

That makes more sense to me than trying to turn him into a fireplug NT. His game is supposed to be about explosiveness, not occupying space.

Exactly how I see it. Sort of like Dockett in Zona as well.

Basileus777 · 02-27-2009, 02:54 PM

It's not an ideal fit, but he could potentially still be a good productive player at DE.

**Mr. Kotter** · 02-27-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Wasted.

You honestly don't think Dorsey can play in a 3-4?

Why are you so adamant, Hamas?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-27-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

We should have taken your boy Gholston instead.

If you would have told me that the Chiefs were going to be in a 3-4 in 2009, I definitely would have taken him over Dorsey.

It's funny that Dorsey gets the benefit of the doubt for piss poor coaching and being misused (which is true), but Gholston being buried on the bench because his coach is in a "win right now at all costs, **** the rookies" mode is somehow indicative that he's a bust.

I know this may be hard for you to comprehend, because it actually requires some nuanced thinking, but everyone knew that Gholston was going to require some work. What he has are otherworldly physical tools to work with.

HC_Chief · 02-27-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Exactly how I see it. Sort of like Dockett in Zona as well.

Yep... that's what I said a couple of pages ago.

Dorsey is heavier than Dockett, but a few inches shorter.

HC_Chief · 02-27-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

You honestly don't think Dorsey can play in a 3-4?

Why are you so adamant, Hamas?

Smarter than us unwashed dullards.

**Mr. Kotter** · 02-27-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

FFS, Dorsey's career was just ruined ala Ryan Sims. This is ****in reeruned.

WHY do you think that? I still haven't seen a good explanation.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-27-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

You honestly don't think Dorsey can play in a 3-4?

Why are you so adamant, Hamas?

It's not that he can't play, it's that he's not going to be able to make plays relative to the value of his draft pick given his role in that system. He's not Bruce Smith. He's not going to get an assload of sacks as a 3-4 end.

You don't spend top 5 picks on 3-4 ends, just like you don't spend top five picks on guards.

Now, if he is somehow able to be a disruptive 3-4 NT, I'll rescind any and all of this criticism. But not one scouting report touted his ability to play the nose in a 3-4.

soundmind · 02-27-2009, 03:02 PM

Warning: Ridiculous Blockbuster Proposal (would be an ESPN/NFLN Ratings booster)

Larry Johnson/Glenn Dorsey - in trade for - Shaun Rogers/3rd Round Pick

*while huge, does that sound unreasonable???

**Mr. Kotter** · 02-27-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's not that he can't play, it's that he's not going to be able to make plays relative to the value of his draft pick given his role in that system. He's not Bruce Smith. He's not going to get an assload of sacks as a 3-4 end.

You don't spend top 5 picks on 3-4 ends, just like you don't spend top five picks on guards.

Now, if he is somehow able to be a disruptive 3-4 NT, I'll rescind any and all of this criticism. But not one scouting report touted his ability to play the nose in a 3-4.

Personally, I can see him being more disruptive at DE in the 3-4. In college, penetration and being disruptive in the backfield was one of his strengths. As a DE in a 3-4, he's big and strong....and doesn't need the usual speed you'd expect from a 4-3 DE. He could have some trouble with the huge OTs, but most of the time he'd occupy two blockers....which could be just fine, depending on the role the coaches have in mind. I think he could be pretty decent as a 3-4 DE with some good coaching though.

ChiefsCountry · 02-27-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

Warning: Ridiculous Blockbuster Proposal (would be an ESPN/NFLN Ratings booster)

Larry Johnson/Glenn Dorsey - in trade for - Shaun Rogers/3rd Round Pick

*while huge, does that sound unreasonable???

Umm Cleveland is 3-4 just like us.

soundmind · 02-27-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Umm Cleveland is 3-4 just like us.

Okay, but they ARE the Browns.

Just stirring more piles of brain excrement on an NFL holiday.

kcbubb · 02-27-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If you would have told me that the Chiefs were going to be in a 3-4 in 2009, I definitely would have taken him over Dorsey.

It's funny that Dorsey gets the benefit of the doubt for piss poor coaching and being misused (which is true), but Gholston being buried on the bench because his coach is in a "win right now at all costs, **** the rookies" mode is somehow indicative that he's a bust.

I know this may be hard for you to comprehend, because it actually requires some nuanced thinking, but everyone knew that Gholston was going to require some work. What he has are otherworldly physical tools to work with.

I actually agree with Hamas on this one. Gholston is still a sick athlete. I think positional value for DE in the 3-4 is not very good either. Even if Dorsey is a good 3-4 DE, he wouldn't be worth the pick. To me, that would be like selecting a guard #5. Maybe not that bad. But if he can play NT and turn into a good one, he would be worth it. But I haven't seen anything to make me believe that he can be a great NT in the 3-4.

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