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Trump Reimbursed Cohen for Stormy Daniels Payment?

No WAY, dudes....wait, Guilanni is saying this. Friggin' pillowbiter commie transgendered Cuck...

That would mean Trump bold-faced lied to cameras and the American people, on numerous occasions....no WAY. Can you believe these fascists!

Damn FAKE news drama queens are spreading more LIES!

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/polit...mey/index.html

Giuliani says Trump reimbursed Cohen for Stormy Daniels payment

Washington (CNN)


Rudy Giuliani said Wednesday that President Donald Trump paid back his personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, the $130,000 in hush money that was used to pay off Stormy Daniels.

The payment is going to turn out to be "perfectly legal," Giuliani said in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity.

"That money was not campaign money, sorry," Giuliani said. "I'm giving you a fact now that you don't know. It's not campaign money. No campaign finance violation."

Hannity replied: "Because they funneled it through the law firm?"
To which Giuliani said: "Funneled it through the law firm, and the President repaid him."

Giuliani recently joined Trump's legal team in an effort to bring special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russia's 2016 election meddling and any possible coordination with the Trump campaign to an end. The addition of Giuliani came following the departure of Trump's former lawyer John Dowd.

Trump previously denied knowledge of the payment, which has since spurred a lawsuit against the President.

When asked about Giuliani's comments, White House deputy press secretary Hogan Gidley told Fox News that it is ongoing litigation and referred the questions to the President's outside counsel.

Cohen admitted to paying Daniels out of his own pocket through a private LLC. However, Trump never signed the nondisclosure agreement, so Daniels is claiming in her suit that the agreement is now void.

"In a private transaction in 2016, I used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to Ms. Stephanie Clifford," Cohen said in a statement in February. "Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly."

There have been questions surrounding the legality of the payment considering various campaign finance laws.

In January, the group Common Cause sent letters to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and the Federal Election Commission asking them to investigate the Daniels payment, calling it an illegal in-kind campaign contribution.

Daniels' lawyer Michael Avenatti said he was "stunned" by Giuliani's claim that Trump knew about the payment. "I am stunned and speechless. If this is accurate, the American people have been lied to and deceived for months. And justice must be served," Avenatti said.

Common Cause's Paul S. Ryan said Giuliani's comments could expose Trump to possible criminal prosecution, along with Cohen. Ryan said if Trump reimbursed Cohen that would mean Trump knew about the payment, which would make Trump vulnerable.

Ryan said despite whether Cohen was paid back, Trump's lawyer could have violated campaign contribution law, because Ryan said it appears Cohen made an illegally large in-kind contribution to the Trump campaign.

In the same interview, Giuliani also called ex-FBI Director James Comey a "disgraceful liar," and said he thinks Comey should be prosecuted.
"I know James Comey. I know the President. Sorry Jim, you're a liar -- a disgraceful liar," Giuliani said.

Giuliani then went on to say that "every FBI agent in America has his head down," because of Comey.

Comey and Trump have had a tumultuous relationship following Comey's firing. Comey recently published a memoir, which detailed his encounters with the President, and has said he thinks Trump is "morally unfit" for the presidency.

Trump, in turn, has also repeatedly sounded off on Comey via social media.

Prior to Comey's book release, Trump even insinuated Comey should go to jail, tweeting: "The big questions in Comey's badly reviewed book aren't answered like, how come he gave up Classified Information (jail), why did he lie to Congress (jail), why did the DNC refuse to give Server to the FBI (why didn't they TAKE it), why the phony memos, McCabe's $700,000 & more?"

Giuliani echoed that suggestion on Fox News, telling Hannity that Comey should be prosecuted.

"Comey should be prosecuted for leaking confidential FBI information when he leaked his report intended to develop a special prosecutor for the President of the United States," Giuliani said.

CNN's MJ Lee and Sara Sidner contributed to this report.

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Old 05-03-2018, 07:56 AM   #76
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I don't really care about the relationship. I also don't give a damn about billionaire playboys doing what billionaire playboys do. I really couldnt' care about what couch a billionaire playboy looks under to find a measly hundred and some-odd grand.

It would be nice, however, if our President and his team seemed to give even the slightest crap about the truth. Instead, they don't even have a nodding acquaintance.
Yeah, that would be a good thing.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:56 AM   #77
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April 5: Trump says he didn't know about pre election payment

April 26: Trump acknowledges Cohen represented him Stormy deal

May 2: Giuliani says Trump personally repaid Cohen in the Stormy deal

And that matters why? And of course Trump re-paid his attorney who most likely slapped him with a bill. WTF is wrong with you?
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:57 AM   #78
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I don't really care about the relationship. I also don't give a damn about billionaire playboys doing what billionaire playboys do. I really couldnt' care about what couch a billionaire playboy looks under to find a measly hundred and some-odd grand.

It would be nice, however, if our President and his team seemed to give even the slightest crap about the truth. Instead, they don't even have a nodding acquaintance.
while I agree...why does truth seem to matter now under this President but no one cared about the truth just one President ago?
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:59 AM   #79
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lol, it's a cut and dry violation of campaign finance laws if Rudy is telling the truth.
I think you need to go back and listen to what Rudy said since he said the exact opposite. Or you are clueless as to campaign finance laws. Which, even if in some imaginary world you were right, is nothing more than a fine.

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while I agree...why does truth seem to matter now under this President but no one cared about the truth just one President ago?
Your whatabout game is on point.
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I think you need to go back and listen to what Rudy said since he said the exact opposite. Or you are clueless as to campaign finance laws. Which, even if in some imaginary world you were right, is nothing more than a fine.

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Why would anyone believe trump's team now? Lie after lie regarding this situation but THIS time they mean it. Zero chance you are actually this gullible.
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while I agree...why does truth seem to matter now under this President but no one cared about the truth just one President ago?
Trump's disinterest in the truth goes beyond anything I've ever seen from any politician before. It's not the normal politician's spin-meistering. Usually they will massage, spin or try their absolute best to tell their story in some fashion that doesn't just blatantly ignore obvious facts. Trump doesn't seem to care what the facts are. It's like he operates with a completely blank canvas and can do whatever he wants with the story he wants to tell.

The truth offers no boundaries whatsoever for him. I find that beyond odd; I find it insane.
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Trump's disinterest in the truth goes beyond anything I've ever seen from any politician before. It's not the normal politician's spin-meistering. Usually they will massage, spin or try their absolute best to tell their story in some fashion that doesn't just blatantly ignore obvious facts. Trump doesn't seem to care what the facts are. It's like he operates with a completely blank canvas and can do whatever he wants with the story he wants to tell.

The truth offers no boundaries whatsoever for him. I find that beyond odd; I find it insane.
The truly insane part is that he has people who will defend him for these actions, time after time.
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It bothers me that he would lie about it. Why not just own up to it from the get-go? If he'd lie about something as trivial as this, what wouldn't he lie about?
Trump lies about everything. Only time I'd be surprised is if he told the truth completely un-embelished.
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It's still a campaign finance violation. The payment Cohen made initially is considered a loan made to benefit the campaign (Stormy's silence was bought because of the campaign). Even if that loan was repaid with Trump's personal funds, it still needs to be reported and since it wasn't, that's the violation.

The violation isn't a big deal by itself, probably just a fine. Like always, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up. Rudy basically said the 130k was paid off over a period of time. Someone as "rich" as Trump has no reason to not pay that in a lump sum, unless the payments were broken up to avoid detection.
Or they could have been broken up as part of a retainer arrangement, which is how Rudy described it.

Based on what we know today and what the Trump team has said, it's not a campaign finance violation. You have to assume additional secret or undiscovered evidence to find a campaign finance violation at this point. The Trump team story is that it was a response to extortion-like actions on the part of the Daniels camp and, most importantly, that the motivation was personal. Where is the evidence that proves otherwise as to the motive?
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Trump's disinterest in the truth goes beyond anything I've ever seen from any politician before. It's not the normal politician's spin-meistering. Usually they will massage, spin or try their absolute best to tell their story in some fashion that doesn't just blatantly ignore obvious facts. Trump doesn't seem to care what the facts are. It's like he operates with a completely blank canvas and can do whatever he wants with the story he wants to tell.

The truth offers no boundaries whatsoever for him. I find that beyond odd; I find it insane.
You've got a pretty short memory then.
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Trump's disinterest in the truth goes beyond anything I've ever seen from any politician before. It's not the normal politician's spin-meistering. Usually they will massage, spin or try their absolute best to tell their story in some fashion that doesn't just blatantly ignore obvious facts. Trump doesn't seem to care what the facts are. It's like he operates with a completely blank canvas and can do whatever he wants with the story he wants to tell.

The truth offers no boundaries whatsoever for him. I find that beyond odd; I find it insane.
I think you're stretching, lying or naive. I know you well enough to say you aren't a liar or naive.
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Rudy on Fox & Friends explicitly stating that the payments were made to help the presidential campaign, this is amazing.
I just listened to the vod and didn't hear that. Maybe I missed it. Can you tell me what timestamp to start at?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5779885548001/
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April 5: Trump says he didn't know about pre election payment

April 26: Trump acknowledges Cohen represented him Stormy deal

May 2: Giuliani says Trump personally repaid Cohen in the Stormy deal

What's the funny part?
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Why would anyone believe trump's team now? Lie after lie regarding this situation but THIS time they mean it. Zero chance you are actually this gullible.
Why are you shocked that a man is lying about cheating on his wife until he absolutely has no choice other than not too?

You are either a complete and total idiot or you are just being a biased tool. I am going with the latter because you don't like Trump.
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