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Old 05-02-2018, 09:22 PM  
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Trump Reimbursed Cohen for Stormy Daniels Payment?

No WAY, dudes....wait, Guilanni is saying this. Friggin' pillowbiter commie transgendered Cuck...

That would mean Trump bold-faced lied to cameras and the American people, on numerous occasions....no WAY. Can you believe these fascists!

Damn FAKE news drama queens are spreading more LIES!

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/polit...mey/index.html

Giuliani says Trump reimbursed Cohen for Stormy Daniels payment

Washington (CNN)


Rudy Giuliani said Wednesday that President Donald Trump paid back his personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, the $130,000 in hush money that was used to pay off Stormy Daniels.

The payment is going to turn out to be "perfectly legal," Giuliani said in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity.

"That money was not campaign money, sorry," Giuliani said. "I'm giving you a fact now that you don't know. It's not campaign money. No campaign finance violation."

Hannity replied: "Because they funneled it through the law firm?"
To which Giuliani said: "Funneled it through the law firm, and the President repaid him."

Giuliani recently joined Trump's legal team in an effort to bring special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russia's 2016 election meddling and any possible coordination with the Trump campaign to an end. The addition of Giuliani came following the departure of Trump's former lawyer John Dowd.

Trump previously denied knowledge of the payment, which has since spurred a lawsuit against the President.

When asked about Giuliani's comments, White House deputy press secretary Hogan Gidley told Fox News that it is ongoing litigation and referred the questions to the President's outside counsel.

Cohen admitted to paying Daniels out of his own pocket through a private LLC. However, Trump never signed the nondisclosure agreement, so Daniels is claiming in her suit that the agreement is now void.

"In a private transaction in 2016, I used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to Ms. Stephanie Clifford," Cohen said in a statement in February. "Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly."

There have been questions surrounding the legality of the payment considering various campaign finance laws.

In January, the group Common Cause sent letters to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and the Federal Election Commission asking them to investigate the Daniels payment, calling it an illegal in-kind campaign contribution.

Daniels' lawyer Michael Avenatti said he was "stunned" by Giuliani's claim that Trump knew about the payment. "I am stunned and speechless. If this is accurate, the American people have been lied to and deceived for months. And justice must be served," Avenatti said.

Common Cause's Paul S. Ryan said Giuliani's comments could expose Trump to possible criminal prosecution, along with Cohen. Ryan said if Trump reimbursed Cohen that would mean Trump knew about the payment, which would make Trump vulnerable.

Ryan said despite whether Cohen was paid back, Trump's lawyer could have violated campaign contribution law, because Ryan said it appears Cohen made an illegally large in-kind contribution to the Trump campaign.

In the same interview, Giuliani also called ex-FBI Director James Comey a "disgraceful liar," and said he thinks Comey should be prosecuted.
"I know James Comey. I know the President. Sorry Jim, you're a liar -- a disgraceful liar," Giuliani said.

Giuliani then went on to say that "every FBI agent in America has his head down," because of Comey.

Comey and Trump have had a tumultuous relationship following Comey's firing. Comey recently published a memoir, which detailed his encounters with the President, and has said he thinks Trump is "morally unfit" for the presidency.

Trump, in turn, has also repeatedly sounded off on Comey via social media.

Prior to Comey's book release, Trump even insinuated Comey should go to jail, tweeting: "The big questions in Comey's badly reviewed book aren't answered like, how come he gave up Classified Information (jail), why did he lie to Congress (jail), why did the DNC refuse to give Server to the FBI (why didn't they TAKE it), why the phony memos, McCabe's $700,000 & more?"

Giuliani echoed that suggestion on Fox News, telling Hannity that Comey should be prosecuted.

"Comey should be prosecuted for leaking confidential FBI information when he leaked his report intended to develop a special prosecutor for the President of the United States," Giuliani said.

CNN's MJ Lee and Sara Sidner contributed to this report.

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Old 05-03-2018, 08:15 AM   #91
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lol, it's a cut and dry violation of campaign finance laws if Rudy is telling the truth.
That doesn't sound even close to right. Can you explain your rationale?
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:16 AM   #92
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It's still a campaign finance violation. The payment Cohen made initially is considered a loan made to benefit the campaign (Stormy's silence was bought because of the campaign). Even if that loan was repaid with Trump's personal funds, it still needs to be reported and since it wasn't, that's the violation.

The violation isn't a big deal by itself, probably just a fine. Like always, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up. Rudy basically said the 130k was paid off over a period of time. Someone as "rich" as Trump has no reason to not pay that in a lump sum, unless the payments were broken up to avoid detection.
Sorry, no, it is not.
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:16 AM   #93
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Or they could have been broken up as part of a retainer arrangement, which is how Rudy described it.

Based on what we know today and what the Trump team has said, it's not a campaign finance violation. You have to assume additional secret or undiscovered evidence to find a campaign finance violation at this point. The Trump team story is that it was a response to extortion-like actions on the part of the Daniels camp and, most importantly, that the motivation was personal. Where is the evidence that proves otherwise as to the motive?
Patty a few months ago: The Stormy Daniels thing isn't a big deal and no case will come of it

Patty now: Well, now that a big deal is being made about it and a case is going on, its not a violation

Patty is currently on step 2 of the Defend Trump no matter what chain of events.
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That doesn't sound even close to right. Can you explain your rationale?
I can explain it for you...


We want it to be true because **** Trump!

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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:17 AM   #95
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Your whatabout game is on point.
^^^ Lame criticism used mainly by hypocrites who benefit from narrowing the scope of inquiry
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:17 AM   #96
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I just listened to the vod and didn't hear that. Maybe I missed it. Can you tell me what timestamp to start at?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5779885548001/
Giuliani on Fox re Stormy Daniels, still makes it sound campaign-related: “Imagine if that came out on Oct 15, 2016 in the middle of the, you know, last debate with Hillary Clinton...Cohen didn’t even ask. Cohen made it go away. He did his job.”
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What's the funny part?
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Why are you shocked that a man is lying about cheating on his wife until he absolutely has no choice other than not too?

You are either a complete and total idiot or you are just being a biased tool. I am going with the latter because you don't like Trump.
Just to be clear: You think this is the only time Trump has lied to the public?

I mean, he's a long-standing adulterer, but THIS is the one thing he'll lie about? Nobody believes you're this stupid.
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^^^ Lame criticism used mainly by hypocrites who benefit from narrowing the scope of inquiry
^^^^ Desperate transparent fallacy used mainly by hypocrites who benefit from attempting to discredit a position without directly refuting or disproving the person's argument.
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Patty a few months ago: The Stormy Daniels thing isn't a big deal and no case will come of it

Patty now: Well, now that a big deal is being made about it and a case is going on, its not a violation

Patty is currently on step 2 of the Defend Trump no matter what chain of events.
Patty all along: This Stormy Daniels thing won't threaten Trump's presidency
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He does it well and often, and I thought he deserved the recognition.
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:21 AM   #102
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Why would anyone believe trump's team now? Lie after lie regarding this situation but THIS time they mean it. Zero chance you are actually this gullible.
Better question is why does anyone give a **** about this topic to begin with?
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Patty all along: This Stormy Daniels thing won't threaten Trump's presidency
Yes, we know. I just said you are on step 2 of that process after being completely wrong on what you said in step 1.

You are following the predictable "Defend Trump no matter what" script to a T.
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:24 AM   #104
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- Doesn't matter / who cares
- Whine about Hillary Clinton
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I predict we mostly see 1 and 3 in response to this one
Not sure which of those categories my response will fit in...but....

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I think you're stretching, lying or naive. I know you well enough to say you aren't a liar or naive.

No, I'm dead serious. I'm old enough to remember all the Presidents since Reagan. I have never seen a politician that is just so recklessly DISINTERESTED in what the actual facts are. Not just in one area or on one item, but just everything and all items, from significant to seemingly meaningless (crowds at inauguration for example).
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