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Old 06-27-2018, 12:08 PM  
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SC Justice Kennedy to Retire. Trump to select replacement.

Just crossing the wires that Kennedy will retire. Libs having a bad week with SCOTUS.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/27/anth...eme-court.html
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Old 06-27-2018, 01:22 PM   #61
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Damn, this day just gets better and better. Now all we need is that nasty old battleaxe Ginsberg to quit/die/whatever.

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Old 06-27-2018, 01:22 PM   #62
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Yeah, the pure hypocrisy of all these was responses was the actual most predictable thing ever.
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Old 06-27-2018, 01:23 PM   #63
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Willett would be your guy, then.
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Old 06-27-2018, 01:23 PM   #64
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Old 06-27-2018, 01:24 PM   #65
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What would lead you to that conclusion? Kennedy has been a fairly reliable conservative for awhile except for social issues and he was hardly dogmatic there. I don't feel like he was a 'go down with the ship' type over most social issues; they wouldn't have been enough to keep him on, IMO.

I think the guy has seen a couple Justices die on the bench and didn't want to be one of them. Rhenquist and Scalia were both younger than Kennedy is now when they passed. He's looking forward to a retirement and good for him. I'm still gobsmacked that RGB didn't do so 4 years ago.

Man, if you've held that post for 25 years and you're in your late 70s or early 80s, you've done your part. You've served your country and deserve to live the rest of your life.

RBG really messed it up for the Libs. Could’ve retired when they had a super majority in Congress under Obama. Though I have to say, the Justices have a cushy job, they don’t work all year, have law clerks etc to help them write decisions/opinions etc.
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Old 06-27-2018, 01:25 PM   #66
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Suddenly appointing a conservative to replace a guy who's been 85% conservative over the last several years is this catastrophic attack on the independence of the court.

And in their eyes Roberts is some kind of young Thomas.

People really need to read up more on Roberts. The guy's gonna be Rehnquist. When Rehnquist was an associate justice he was far more conservative than Roberts is now, IMO. But when he took over as Chief (Berger?), he moved very much into the moderate camp. He was still more conservative than he wasn't, but he moved to the center in a big, big way.

Look at the relationship he formed with Ginsburg and you will see the template for what Roberts and Kagan will almost certainly be in the years to come. Those are two ideologically opposed but extremely well qualified, serious justices who will lead their respective blocs. And in the end this court will be almost a carbon copy to the Rehnquist Court that trended conservative but hardly sent the country into a dark age.

Besides, if Obama got to put Sotomayor on the bench, Trump could put the local dog catcher on and I wouldn't be too heartbroken over it. Obama got his unqualified lapdog so hey, might as well give Trump one as well.
I have never seen a bigger collective bunch of whiney ass losers. I hope Trump goes nuclear with this pick.
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Old 06-27-2018, 01:27 PM   #67
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Audio of a DNC committee meeting when the Kennedy retirement announcement was made.










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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.710513d4270b

Illustrates that a lot of 2016 Trump voters were concerned about the Supreme Court and that Trump astutely campaigned in part on the issue.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...otus-nominees/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/u...eme-court.html
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People really need to read up more on Roberts. The guy's gonna be Rehnquist. When Rehnquist was an associate justice he was far more conservative than Roberts is now, IMO. But when he took over as Chief (Berger?), he moved very much into the moderate camp. He was still more conservative than he wasn't, but he moved to the center in a big, big way.
Roberts is already a problem. You're right, in the sense that pulling in a legitimate originalist sort is probably just going to put Roberts into the swing seat, and Roberts will probably serve as the next Republican nominee to sell out. He's already done it (See Obamacare for the most obvious example), and I've no doubt he'll continue in that vein moving forward.
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I have never seen a bigger collective bunch of whiney ass losers. I hope Trump goes nuclear with this pick.
That's what I like so much about Barrett, though.

There's an excellent chance that 'nuclear' is exactly what she'd be. But man, can you imagine how it would look if a bunch of Senate Democrats put her on blast after spending a year barking 'nevertheless, she persisted!' at anyone that dared discuss Senate Rules.

They would have a damn hard time going for the throat with the same fervor that they would with someone like Willett. And if you're worried about evangelical turnout in November, go ahead and let them attack her for being catholic again and see how that turns out. Gonna guess you see an evangelical spike at the polls.

I can't claim to have read enough of her work to speak confidently on her as a jurist. I like what I've seen in synopsis and thumbnails, but hell - what do those really mean? From a strict 'interpretation' standpoint I think I like her but can't loudly claim she's a slam dunk (as opposed to Willett who I absolutely will). But from a political standpoint, man she's a nice pick.
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Roberts is already a problem. You're right, in the sense that pulling in a legitimate originalist sort is probably just going to put Roberts into the swing seat, and Roberts will probably serve as the next Republican nominee to sell out. He's already done it (See Obamacare for the most obvious example), and I've no doubt he'll continue in that vein moving forward.
Roberts is only a 'problem' if you expected him to be Scalia rather than the man he replaced. I think if you gave Roberts the associate justice seat, a conservative firebrand may have been what you got. But I think he takes his roll as the Chief Justice as being more critical than simply being a conservative voice and he is always looking to build consensus if he can.

He was never going to be Thomas or Scalia. He wasn't supposed to be (Alito was the the ideologue Bush got to appoint). He was supposed to be a largely centrist Chief Justice w/ conservative leanings and it's hard to argue that's not exactly what he's been. He's not been a conservative stalwart, but he's been further right than Kennedy and Kennedy's been pretty damn reliably on that side for awhile.

I'm just not going to say that anyone who ever breaks from the conservative bloc is 'a problem', especially when that person is the Chief Justice. It was my biggest beef with Obama as well -- when you get the big chair, your job isn't to be the Chief Democrat anymore; it's to be a leader. Roberts has taken that responsibility to heart and done a nice job with it, IMO.
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That's what I like so much about Barrett, though.

There's an excellent chance that 'nuclear' is exactly what she'd be. But man, can you imagine how it would look if a bunch of Senate Democrats put her on blast after spending a year barking 'nevertheless, she persisted!' at anyone that dared discuss Senate Rules.

They would have a damn hard time going for the throat with the same fervor that they would with someone like Willett. And if you're worried about evangelical turnout in November, go ahead and let them attack her for being catholic again and see how that turns out. Gonna guess you see an evangelical spike at the polls.

I can't claim to have read enough of her work to speak confidently on her as a jurist. I like what I've seen in synopsis and thumbnails, but hell - what do those really mean? From a strict 'interpretation' standpoint I think I like her but can't loudly claim she's a slam dunk (as opposed to Willett who I absolutely will). But from a political standpoint, man she's a nice pick.
I will have to read up on the names you listed. I hope voter turnout on the R's spikes. The way I look at it is the D's through down the gauntlet this past weekend. It's time to get dirty.
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Within 4 years, I expect. I've heard that they've got it teed up already. The plan is to introduce a heartbeat bill that will protect life at that point, but that they don't want to do it until they have the court properly stacked.

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