RealTeam.com: Chiefs Are a Joke.

FedEx Marty · 06-11-2001, 08:50 AM

Check out this article by supposed expert Terry O'Neil:

[url]http://www.realteam.com/insiders/PublishedArticles/10561.jsp[/url]

**jAZ** · 06-11-2001, 09:04 AM

This guys comes off sounding a little smarmy, but I think he is voicing one of two realistic schools of thought: we have already blown it, or we have fixed our problems and built a solid foundation for the 2nd half of 2001 and beyond.

I tend to believe the latter, but I am a fan, can I be trusted to be objective?

Justin

KCTitus · 06-11-2001, 09:10 AM

I read the other 5 reviews of other teams that were below the article as well...he's basically trying to find everything wrong he possibly can with the teams. Some he finds more than others. I havent seen a review from an NFC team, I would be interested to see if they are handled any differently.

Yeah, KC has a lot of problems this year...probably another .500 year or so.

ck_IN · 06-11-2001, 09:28 AM

And the problem with this article is what?

It may be a nasty pill homers-among-us, but we have to swallow it. We are a mediocre team at best.

Our defense was horid last year, and we've subtracted from it this year. Our ST's may be better but as bad as they were is that saying much? One of the continuing whines about EG was him being injury prone. So we sign a QB that is clearly injury prone. Another EG complaint is why he had no more experience than he had. Green has started a total of 19 games and he's approaching 31. Our new feature back was replaced on his own team by a drafted rookie at feature back.

Top this off with the fact that we have a brand new coaching staff and a rugged schedule. A burn in time will be required and it'll be against some of the best teams in the league.

This is going to be a long year gang.

KCTitus · 06-11-2001, 09:38 AM

CK: in his San Diego review, he talks about 'addition by subtraction'. I dont think that the release of Chester or Hasty was necessarily a step 'down'.

Second, the ST's were bad, that is true, but again, we lost Stock and I would argue that's not a step down either.

Long year, yes...tons of dead money, new staff, tough schedule. At least KC's finally headed in a new direction.

Gaz · 06-11-2001, 09:41 AM

His facts are correct. I may have an issue with the 'tude, but I cannot fault his analysis. In fact, I found only one false statement in the article:
[quote]they are mathematically eliminated from contention in '01.[/quote]

Not yet.

xoxo~
Gaz
Doesn't expect that to happen until Week #8 at the earliest.

ck_IN · 06-11-2001, 09:52 AM

Titus,

Addition by subtraction in the SD sense means losing cRyan Leaf. One could make the case we did that with Glock, but Leaf was replaced with Flutie. Glock was replaced with Downing. 'Nuff said.

I won't argue that Hasty was past his prime, but Crockett, by comparision, never had a prime. On his worst day #40 is light years better than Crockett, and I'd say still a top 10 CB.

Stock is gone. (insert chorus of joy here) He was replaced with Frank Ganz Jr. At the moment I view this as a push, with an option to revise later. What concerns me at the moment is, 'who will kick off?'. Our defense is too bad to overcome opponents starting at the 30+.

I do agree that we're headed in the right direction. But far more emphasis needs to be paid to our weaknesses. No more 3rd round reaches please. And since our depth is shallow the injury bug repellent should be bought in 55 gal drums.

shakesthecat · 06-11-2001, 09:53 AM

"Will Shields, is a one-dimensional pass protector whose drive blocking is just fair."

There are some valid points to his article, but come on.

KCTitus · 06-11-2001, 10:05 AM

Leaf's replacement is no better than Glock's. Im not sure how that's 'Nuff said', but ok...at least Flutie has a history--a long one.

As far as Crockett...I'm indifferent about this because I dont believe he'll be starting, but he does provide veteran knowledge that wouldnt cost KC about 4.5M under this years cap.

DaWolf · 06-11-2001, 10:51 AM

Give me a break. First of all he focuses on that stupid superficial stuff that the media seem so intent to overblow, like the cap. The 31 million was taken care of and we ended up being 6 mil under, which ranked us 5th in the league at the start of free agency. Dead cap money? Yes, but that happens when a new regime comes in and you have to get rid of players who don't want to be here. While not having that dead money would have left us No 1 in money to spend, we still had room, and we eliminated malcontents. Which leads to the Grbac point. We didn't lose him due to our own flawed deal, like he says. We lost him because he wanted out. So what would have been the plus in keeping around a guy who didn't want to be here?

Then he ridicules the signing of Will Shields, a perrrenial pro bowler. His Priest Holmes argument is also debatable (we've had a couple of threads on that.)

His defensive arguments have validity for the skeptic. And he spends zero time focusing on the positives. I guess he's made up his mind about this team. I hope the rest of the media feel the same way. And it doesn't seem like we're done adding people to this team, so to judge them right now is premature...

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KCinGA · 06-11-2001, 10:55 AM

I think most people would agree that the article presented some valid points. KC has definitely reached for some players this year, taking chances on Trent Green, Priest Holmes, Eric Downing, and Ray Crockett. But, I feel each player has an equal chance of succeeding...

Trent Green has the ability to produce a scoring juggernaut in KC. Throwing to Gonzalez, Alexander, Morris, Minnis, Richardson, Holmes, Blaylock... I can't help but think that we'll have an advantage here against any defense that we face.

Priest Holmes will produce. At the least, he will upgrade the RB position - even if he is used in tandem with Richardson. He has more speed and wiggle than Richardson. I sure hated to see Garner go to the Raiders, though.

Eric Downing is young and raw, but maybe he'll an improvement - as long as he's not jumping offsides every other play. KC will need someone to step up, though, to divert some attention away from Eric Hicks. As it is, I'm sure each offense we face will double-team Hicks and make someone else beat them.

Ray Crockett is not a pickup I'm so sure about. I can only hope that our new defensive coach knows what he's doing. We sure did give him a lot of money, if he's not starting. But, I can see where he could help the young secondary in it's transition to new defensive schemes under Robinson.

The only real comment I had an issue with in the article is the one made on Will Shields. This guy's a pro-bowl player! He's not "average".

It would be easy to look for all of the negative things that could happen this year, but it's also easy to see the upside if some things fall into place for us this year. If we can protect Green, play some decent defense, and improve in special teams (which, I think we have done drammatically)... this team will be real solid this year and should make the playoffs!!

Clint in Wichita · 06-11-2001, 10:58 AM

If healthy & playing, Martin will equal McGlockton's staggering 30 tackles and 2 sacks.

C'mon...that's only 30 more tackles and 2 more sacks than I got last year!!!

IMO Hasty was the only real "loss".

Every other move has been an upgrade IMO, especially the coaches.

Clint in Wichita · 06-11-2001, 10:59 AM

Did I say EVERY move?

I forgot about Crockett and Cadrez.

OK, MOST of the moves have been positive!

DaWolf · 06-11-2001, 11:02 AM

Media folk are mainly impressed with big name pickups, so we strike out big there. Regarding Garner, I guess I'm just not as impressed with him as some seem to be. The Chiefs obviously weren't either...

Lightning Rod · 06-11-2001, 11:05 AM

Hey wasn't Faulk replaced by a draft pick rookie?

I know, not the same thing

06-11-2001, 08:50 AM
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06-11-2001, 09:04 AM	#2
jAZ Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tucson, AZ Casino cash: $9847493	This guys comes off sounding a little smarmy, but I think he is voicing one of two realistic schools of thought: we have already blown it, or we have fixed our problems and built a solid foundation for the 2nd half of 2001 and beyond. I tend to believe the latter, but I am a fan, can I be trusted to be objective? Justin
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06-11-2001, 09:10 AM	#3
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9902732	I read the other 5 reviews of other teams that were below the article as well...he's basically trying to find everything wrong he possibly can with the teams. Some he finds more than others. I havent seen a review from an NFC team, I would be interested to see if they are handled any differently. Yeah, KC has a lot of problems this year...probably another .500 year or so. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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06-11-2001, 09:28 AM	#4
ck_IN Feels so good. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	And the problem with this article is what? It may be a nasty pill homers-among-us, but we have to swallow it. We are a mediocre team at best. Our defense was horid last year, and we've subtracted from it this year. Our ST's may be better but as bad as they were is that saying much? One of the continuing whines about EG was him being injury prone. So we sign a QB that is clearly injury prone. Another EG complaint is why he had no more experience than he had. Green has started a total of 19 games and he's approaching 31. Our new feature back was replaced on his own team by a drafted rookie at feature back. Top this off with the fact that we have a brand new coaching staff and a rugged schedule. A burn in time will be required and it'll be against some of the best teams in the league. This is going to be a long year gang. __________________ As sweet as Tupelo Honey
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06-11-2001, 09:38 AM	#5
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9902732	CK: in his San Diego review, he talks about 'addition by subtraction'. I dont think that the release of Chester or Hasty was necessarily a step 'down'. Second, the ST's were bad, that is true, but again, we lost Stock and I would argue that's not a step down either. Long year, yes...tons of dead money, new staff, tough schedule. At least KC's finally headed in a new direction. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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06-11-2001, 09:41 AM	#6
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Read it and wept. His facts are correct. I may have an issue with the 'tude, but I cannot fault his analysis. In fact, I found only one false statement in the article: [quote]they are mathematically eliminated from contention in '01.[/quote] Not yet. xoxo~ Gaz Doesn't expect that to happen until Week #8 at the earliest.
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06-11-2001, 09:52 AM	#7
ck_IN Feels so good. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Titus, Addition by subtraction in the SD sense means losing cRyan Leaf. One could make the case we did that with Glock, but Leaf was replaced with Flutie. Glock was replaced with Downing. 'Nuff said. I won't argue that Hasty was past his prime, but Crockett, by comparision, never had a prime. On his worst day #40 is light years better than Crockett, and I'd say still a top 10 CB. Stock is gone. (insert chorus of joy here) He was replaced with Frank Ganz Jr. At the moment I view this as a push, with an option to revise later. What concerns me at the moment is, 'who will kick off?'. Our defense is too bad to overcome opponents starting at the 30+. I do agree that we're headed in the right direction. But far more emphasis needs to be paid to our weaknesses. No more 3rd round reaches please. And since our depth is shallow the injury bug repellent should be bought in 55 gal drums. __________________ As sweet as Tupelo Honey
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06-11-2001, 09:53 AM	#8
shakesthecat Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: IA Casino cash: $4313833	"Will Shields, is a one-dimensional pass protector whose drive blocking is just fair." There are some valid points to his article, but come on.
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06-11-2001, 10:05 AM	#9
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9902732	Leaf's replacement is no better than Glock's. Im not sure how that's 'Nuff said', but ok...at least Flutie has a history--a long one. As far as Crockett...I'm indifferent about this because I dont believe he'll be starting, but he does provide veteran knowledge that wouldnt cost KC about 4.5M under this years cap. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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06-11-2001, 10:51 AM	#10
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	Give me a break. First of all he focuses on that stupid superficial stuff that the media seem so intent to overblow, like the cap. The 31 million was taken care of and we ended up being 6 mil under, which ranked us 5th in the league at the start of free agency. Dead cap money? Yes, but that happens when a new regime comes in and you have to get rid of players who don't want to be here. While not having that dead money would have left us No 1 in money to spend, we still had room, and we eliminated malcontents. Which leads to the Grbac point. We didn't lose him due to our own flawed deal, like he says. We lost him because he wanted out. So what would have been the plus in keeping around a guy who didn't want to be here? Then he ridicules the signing of Will Shields, a perrrenial pro bowler. His Priest Holmes argument is also debatable (we've had a couple of threads on that.) His defensive arguments have validity for the skeptic. And he spends zero time focusing on the positives. I guess he's made up his mind about this team. I hope the rest of the media feel the same way. And it doesn't seem like we're done adding people to this team, so to judge them right now is premature... [img]http://www.realteam.com/gfx/pics/pic_oneil.jpg[/img] Last edited by DaWolf; 06-11-2001 at 10:54 AM..
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06-11-2001, 10:55 AM	#11
KCinGA Rookie Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Georgia Casino cash: $10004900	I think most people would agree that the article presented some valid points. KC has definitely reached for some players this year, taking chances on Trent Green, Priest Holmes, Eric Downing, and Ray Crockett. But, I feel each player has an equal chance of succeeding... Trent Green has the ability to produce a scoring juggernaut in KC. Throwing to Gonzalez, Alexander, Morris, Minnis, Richardson, Holmes, Blaylock... I can't help but think that we'll have an advantage here against any defense that we face. Priest Holmes will produce. At the least, he will upgrade the RB position - even if he is used in tandem with Richardson. He has more speed and wiggle than Richardson. I sure hated to see Garner go to the Raiders, though. Eric Downing is young and raw, but maybe he'll an improvement - as long as he's not jumping offsides every other play. KC will need someone to step up, though, to divert some attention away from Eric Hicks. As it is, I'm sure each offense we face will double-team Hicks and make someone else beat them. Ray Crockett is not a pickup I'm so sure about. I can only hope that our new defensive coach knows what he's doing. We sure did give him a lot of money, if he's not starting. But, I can see where he could help the young secondary in it's transition to new defensive schemes under Robinson. The only real comment I had an issue with in the article is the one made on Will Shields. This guy's a pro-bowl player! He's not "average". It would be easy to look for all of the negative things that could happen this year, but it's also easy to see the upside if some things fall into place for us this year. If we can protect Green, play some decent defense, and improve in special teams (which, I think we have done drammatically)... this team will be real solid this year and should make the playoffs!!
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06-11-2001, 10:58 AM	#12
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	If healthy & playing, Martin will equal McGlockton's staggering 30 tackles and 2 sacks. C'mon...that's only 30 more tackles and 2 more sacks than I got last year!!! IMO Hasty was the only real "loss". Every other move has been an upgrade IMO, especially the coaches.
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06-11-2001, 10:59 AM	#13
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Did I say EVERY move? I forgot about Crockett and Cadrez. OK, MOST of the moves have been positive!
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06-11-2001, 11:02 AM	#14
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	Media folk are mainly impressed with big name pickups, so we strike out big there. Regarding Garner, I guess I'm just not as impressed with him as some seem to be. The Chiefs obviously weren't either...
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06-11-2001, 11:05 AM	#15
Lightning Rod Need a new title Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Prairie Village Casino cash: $10004900	Hey wasn't Faulk replaced by a draft pick rookie? I know, not the same thing
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