Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 151

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**gblowfish** · 04-01-2013, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Tejada is a good example of Moore clinging to the old ways/thoughts in baseball. He's a veteran who has been there and is being given a minor role (25th man on the bench) because of his "leadership" ability. He likely plays very little (god I hope that's it).

Beis baw been berry berry gut to eeem.

Deberg_1990 · 04-01-2013, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

It would be nice for Detriot and other teams not to preform up to expectations.

Well, part of that means the Royals are taking the next step. They have to learn how to beat these guys since they play them so much.

BTW, i havent seen anyone mention the Indians much? Some things ive read say they are better than the Royals this year. True or not?

duncan_idaho · 04-01-2013, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Well, part of that means the Royals are taking the next step. They have to learn how to beat these guys since they play them so much.

BTW, i havent seen anyone mention the Indians much? Some things ive read say they are better than the Royals this year. True or not?

Lineup is more proven and has fewer questions than the Royals' (though they have similar upside).

Their rotation is pretty bad, though. Masterson is a slightly better version of Hochevar. Jiminez is a shell of his old self and has been bad for 2.5 years (not bad for him, just flat-out BAD). Brett Myers is possibly a solid 3. McCallister is bad, and Scott Kazmir is a nice story but an extreme longshot.

Bullpen looks to be solid/good. But a step down from KC's.

**alnorth** · 04-01-2013, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Lineup is more proven and has fewer questions than the Royals' (though they have similar upside).

Their rotation is pretty bad, though. Masterson is a slightly better version of Hochevar. Jiminez is a shell of his old self and has been bad for 2.5 years (not bad for him, just flat-out BAD). Brett Myers is possibly a solid 3. McCallister is bad, and Scott Kazmir is a nice story but an extreme longshot.

Bullpen looks to be solid/good. But a step down from KC's.

Yeah, I don't know why, but the media is always in love with the idea of the Indians contending, but not us. So, they overlook the Indians problems and nitpick the Royals to death.

The Indians could beat us, but on paper they shouldn't.

duncan_idaho · 04-01-2013, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Yeah, I don't know why, but the media is always in love with the idea of the Indians contending, but not us. So, they overlook the Indians problems and nitpick the Royals to death.

The Indians could beat us, but on paper they shouldn't.

Because:

1) They have been good more recently
2) They have more names as a result (Jiminez is still looked at as an enigmatic guy who could FIND IT by many, rather than as a guy who has lost it and isn't getting it back, for example)

sedated · 04-01-2013, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Jiminez is a shell of his old self and has been bad for 2.5 years (not bad for him, just flat-out BAD).

Man, that trade realy burned Cleveland.

duncan_idaho · 04-01-2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sedated

Man, that trade realy burned Cleveland.

Yeah, but the guys they gave up have ended up sucking.

Pomeranz and Alex White have both been Hochevar-esque for the Rockies, and the other guys are non-factors.

Deberg_1990 · 04-01-2013, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Because:

1) They have been good more recently
2) They have more names as a result (Jiminez is still looked at as an enigmatic guy who could FIND IT by many, rather than as a guy who has lost it and isn't getting it back, for example)

Plus, they added a "name" manager

kc rush · 04-01-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Yeah, I don't know why, but the media is always in love with the idea of the Indians contending, but not us. So, they overlook the Indians problems and nitpick the Royals to death.

The Indians could beat us, but on paper they shouldn't.

The Royals were a petty trendy pick last year, then the extended losing streak happened. I'm sure there are guys out there that don't want to get "burned again."

**gblowfish** · 04-01-2013, 06:39 PM

I was watching MLB network. They were saying the Yanks need to deal off Cano because he's 30 years old, and Boras wants a 10 year $200 million contract. The pinheads on MLB network go "Well, they should send him to the Dodgers or Angels, and then buy Bryce Harper in four years when he comes on the market for $200 million."

Royals spend $77 mill, and that's our high water mark.

Sigh....

The economics of baseball just flat out sucks.

Mother****erJones · 04-01-2013, 06:41 PM

God **** the Yankees

Cephalic Trauma · 04-01-2013, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life

God **** the Yankees

Stick to the GT. Don't mess this one up, too

Mother****erJones · 04-01-2013, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

Stick to the GT. Don't mess this one up, too

What? Just said **** the yankees. I was responding to his post about them getting big name free agents

Mother****erJones · 04-01-2013, 06:54 PM

Whats GT stand for?

**Reaper16** · 04-01-2013, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life

Whats GT stand for?

Gamethread.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1840308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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