Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 192

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

cookster50 · 04-12-2013, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cumshotguru

Do we have a legit chance at trading for Stanton? I've seen it discussed, but I must admit I don't know much about what we have left in the minors that is worth anything.

No

Archie F. Swin · 04-12-2013, 05:24 AM

Sweet baby jesus, Tim Collins is only 23? Seems like a salty vet!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/KCR/2013.shtml

**Saul Good** · 04-12-2013, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB

Anybody see the brawl between Dodgers and Pads? Apparently, somebody threw over Kemp's head early the game. A bit later, Greinke plunked Carlos Quentin in the arm. Quentin hesitated, then charged Greinke. ZG stood his ground and took him head up like a MLB stepping into the hole. I was damned impressed. Unfortunately, now they're saying ZG broke his left collarbone in the hit and will miss a while.

Quentin better wear some extra protection against the Dodgers going forward, they're going to be out to get him.

I will say this for Grienke...he was the first Royal in a LONG time who wasn't afraid to throw at a guy after one of our guys got drilled. It would drive me insane to watch us get hit over and over while doing nothing to stand up for ourselves.

Archie F. Swin · 04-12-2013, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB

Anybody see the brawl between Dodgers and Pads? Apparently, somebody threw over Kemp's head early the game. A bit later, Greinke plunked Carlos Quentin in the arm. Quentin hesitated, then charged Greinke. ZG stood his ground and took him head up like a MLB stepping into the hole. I was damned impressed. Unfortunately, now they're saying ZG broke his left collarbone in the hit and will miss a while.

Quentin better wear some extra protection against the Dodgers going forward, they're going to be out to get him.

Then Matt Kemp went all Kanye West and was like, Imma let you finish Zack, but I gotsa steal the show, talk some shiz, and get ejected

/bitch life

KevB · 04-12-2013, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin

Then Matt Kemp went all Kanye West and was like, Imma let you finish Zack, but I gotsa steal the show, talk some shiz, and get ejected

/bitch life

He was still talking to Quentin after the game in the parking lot and tunnel. There are pics out there somewhere. This is going to get ugly. Mattingly was also furious.

CaliforniaChief · 04-12-2013, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The focus going forward is going to be on acquiring a legit bat.

Agreed. Of course we all want Stanton but know it's a pipedream. Even if it makes so much sense for us, and would really make me forget Wil Myers. A power-hitting RF we can build around? Yeah, I'll sell the farm for that.

Other potential bats that could become available:
Chase Headley (but where do we play him?)
Josh Willingham
Howie Kendrick (The Angels are desperate for pitching)
Chase Utley (As realistic as Stanton, but the Phils appear to be on the fade in an impossible division.)
Rickie Weeks (puke)
Aaron Hill (If the D-backs crash and burn.)
Michael Cuddyer (I would be great with this.)
Hell, even Carlos Gonzalez is reportedly being looked at.

**alnorth** · 04-12-2013, 09:34 AM

Billy Butler has come out with his own signature brand of Barbeque sauce. Profits go to his charity.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 04-12-2013, 09:35 AM

Now that brings a whole new meaning to "awesome sauce"

**gblowfish** · 04-12-2013, 09:39 AM

Can you eat it for breakfast???

**Bowser** · 04-12-2013, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I will say this for Grienke...he was the first Royal in a LONG time who wasn't afraid to throw at a guy after one of our guys got drilled. It would drive me insane to watch us get hit over and over while doing nothing to stand up for ourselves.

Agreed.

I guess that's what you get when your manager likes to felate the opposing manager (LaRussa) in the local press.

duncan_idaho · 04-12-2013, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Agreed. Of course we all want Stanton but know it's a pipedream. Even if it makes so much sense for us, and would really make me forget Wil Myers. A power-hitting RF we can build around? Yeah, I'll sell the farm for that.

Other potential bats that could become available:
Chase Headley (but where do we play him?)
Josh Willingham
Howie Kendrick (The Angels are desperate for pitching)
Chase Utley (As realistic as Stanton, but the Phils appear to be on the fade in an impossible division.)
Rickie Weeks (puke)
Aaron Hill (If the D-backs crash and burn.)
Michael Cuddyer (I would be great with this.)
Hell, even Carlos Gonzalez is reportedly being looked at.

I'd love to pry Howie Kendrick away from the Angels. He's on the hook for two more seasons after this one at around $10 million/year, but he's a pretty key piece of their lineup.

I like Headley alot (switch-hitter with pop, though probably not as much as he showed a year ago). He also has played extensively in the OF before, though it was in LF. Not sure he could stick in RF (he was slightly below average there during that season).

Weeks and Hill would also be upgrades.

All of those are potentially realistic.

mr. tegu · 04-12-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Billy Butler has come out with his own signature brand of Barbeque sauce. Profits go to his charity.

I will try some. I love me some Billy!

Edit - link didn't want to work. Where can I get it?

WhawhaWhat · 04-12-2013, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Agreed. Of course we all want Stanton but know it's a pipedream. Even if it makes so much sense for us, and would really make me forget Wil Myers. A power-hitting RF we can build around? Yeah, I'll sell the farm for that.

I would give the Marlins whatever they wanted for Stanton.

WhawhaWhat · 04-12-2013, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I will try some. I love me some Billy!

Edit - link didn't want to work. Where can I get it?

Story posted tweets from Billy saying http://Zarda.com or http://originaljuan.com

Chiefspants · 04-12-2013, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I will say this for Grienke...he was the first Royal in a LONG time who wasn't afraid to throw at a guy after one of our guys got drilled. It would drive me insane to watch us get hit over and over while doing nothing to stand up for ourselves.

Luckily, we have a new man who won't let that **** fly.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1800308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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