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**Reaper16** · 07-26-2010, 12:51 AM

Season 4 premiered tonight. I would have bumped the season three thread but I titled it "season 3," which no longer seems appropriate.

Who saw it? It was a stupendous hour of television. All sorts of shit has happened in the eleven months that have passed (in-story) between the formation of Sterling Cooper Draper Price and the beginning of season 4. The premeir was stepped in the juices of the sexual revolution. It also had a lot to say about the increasing role of the media in the success or failure of things. It was great to see Don fail a little bit, and it was exciting to consider the future implications at the end of Don crafting a public/media persona that is completely unlike his actual personality.

**Baby Lee** · 05-04-2015, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It couldn't be more predictable, IMO

Your loss.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-04-2015, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Your loss.

I'm not sure I follow. How is it "my loss" because I've viewed this final season as predictable?

On a side note, as I've stated in the past, the title sequence could mean several things but that was either a teaser, a prank or foreshadowing in last night's episode.

**Baby Lee** · 05-04-2015, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm not sure I follow. How is it "my loss" because I've viewed this final season as predictable?

On a side note, as I've stated in the past, the title sequence could mean several things but that was either a teaser, a prank or foreshadowing in last night's episode.

Because the inevitability of some of the developments doesn't take away from the beauty of the execution.

Roger being melancholy in leaving, Peggy being lost in the shuffle and Joan hitting a misogyny buzzsaw were all foreseeable. But they were executed with aplomb and were great television.

Your dismissal is like seeing the Mona Lisa, and saying 'meh, some old fart draw a chick. . . '

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-04-2015, 01:38 PM

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The last season of Mad Men will be a case study 20+ years down the line of how commercial pressures affect artistic integrity.

This might be the most naive sentence ever posted in the media forum.

EVERY TV series and/or film deals with commercial pressures versus artistic "integrity" to a degree of which would be impossible to explain and for most people to even fathom.

Be thankful that through it all, series like Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul and so on aren't suffocated by it to the point where it's unenjoyable for anyone to even bother.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-04-2015, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Because the inevitability of some of the developments doesn't take away from the beauty of the execution.

Roger being melancholy in leaving, Peggy being lost in the shuffle and Peggy hitting a misogyny buzzsaw were all foreseeable. But they were executed with aplomb and were great television.

Your dismissal is like seeing the Mona Lisa, and saying 'meh, some old fart draw a chick. . . '

Last night's episode was well executed but this final season just hasn't been compelling for me.

Now, if Don jumps out his window during the finale, we may have something.

Otherwise, meh.

**Baby Lee** · 05-04-2015, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Last night's episode was well executed but this final season just hasn't been compelling for me.

Now, if Don jumps out his window during the finale, we may have something.

Otherwise, meh.

I liken it to High Noon, where you have a general idea where things might suss out, and the story is in the execution and the inevitability of it all.

**mikeyis4dcats.** · 05-06-2015, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Last night's episode was well executed but this final season just hasn't been compelling for me.

Now, if Don jumps out his window during the finale, we may have something.

Otherwise, meh.

as if that wouldn't be trite and predicatable. I mean, that's what people have said from the beginning. No way it goes down like that.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-06-2015, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

as if that wouldn't be trite and predicatable. I mean, that's what people have said from the beginning. No way it goes down like that.

I hope you're right

Red Brooklyn · 05-06-2015, 09:56 AM

I guess, how much to do you trust/believe Matt Weiner? Because he's said 100% it ain't gonna happen.

DJ's left nut · 05-06-2015, 10:01 AM

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I hope you're right

I actually really like the direction they're going and I'd be stunned if Don jumped from any tall buildings.

Ultimately I think the closest we'll get to a resolution is Don starting over in California. He may never set foot in the McCann building again.

He's a damaged dude. I just don't see him as a suicidal one. Someday he'll drink himself to death but I think his arrogance would keep him from ever committing suicide. As unhappy as he may be, he's self-assured enough to convince himself that he'll turn it around.

Sadly, if anyone goes out the window, it may be Roger. But I think Roger's probably content being lecherous and rich, even if the death of his name creates a dark period for him. It does seem like a pretty lousy new world for the old guard at SCP.

**Baby Lee** · 05-06-2015, 10:15 AM

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**DaneMcCloud** · 05-06-2015, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I actually really like the direction they're going and I'd be stunned if Don jumped from any tall buildings.

I don't think so, either. The opening sequence has always been a metaphor about Dick/Don's life, IMO. But as I had mentioned in an earlier post, I'm not sure if Don looking out the window was Weiner teasing us or if it was foreshadowing.

I expect Don's fate to be open ended and unresolved because IMO, the only true resolution for him is death. He is who he is and he'll be that way until the day he dies.

Plus, an unresolved ending is a very "David Chase" thing to do.

**mikeyis4dcats.** · 05-06-2015, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I actually really like the direction they're going and I'd be stunned if Don jumped from any tall buildings.

Ultimately I think the closest we'll get to a resolution is Don starting over in California. He may never set foot in the McCann building again.

He's a damaged dude. I just don't see him as a suicidal one. Someday he'll drink himself to death but I think his arrogance would keep him from ever committing suicide. As unhappy as he may be, he's self-assured enough to convince himself that he'll turn it around.

Sadly, if anyone goes out the window, it may be Roger. But I think Roger's probably content being lecherous and rich, even if the death of his name creates a dark period for him. It does seem like a pretty lousy new world for the old guard at SCP.

I really expected that Roger would keel over the organ the other night while Peggy was roller skating around him.

**Baby Lee** · 05-06-2015, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

I really expected that Roger would keel over the organ the other night while Peggy was roller skating around him.

He has a heart condition!!

**mikeyis4dcats.** · 05-06-2015, 12:43 PM

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He has a heart condition!!

part of why I thought it was gonna happen. The boozing, smoking, and then that exclamation.

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