The Official "Lost" the series discussion

[Deberg_1990]

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

[Buck]

I think the baby is Asian

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding

I think the baby is Asian

I watched it twice and *I* thought the baby looked Caucasian.

I honestly can't tell from that picture.

[SWOTI]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I can't believe that people are just bitching instead of discussing the implications and new found revelations:

1. Dr. Marvin Candle is a fake name. His name is Dr. Chang. He and his wife are raising a caucasian infant. Also, the Dharma "movies" were somewhat scripted.
2. Locke may or may not be dead. "Jeremy Bentham" is a code name.
3. Three years have passed since the Oceanic 6 were rescued.
4. The "Losties" are definitely traveling through time.
5. It took Charles Widmore 20 years to find the island.
6. Ben Linus is lying to someone (again).
7. And of course, time travel is most certainly involved in their plane crash, rescue and imminent return to the island.

That's quite a bit of officially confirmed info.

Apparently, many people also missed the connection between Faraday and Desmond. This happens in an episode entitled "The Constant". (If I may editorialize, it was one of the best LOST episodes to date.) Faraday's Constant becomes Desmond when Desmond visits him at Oxford.

That's why he isn't hypocritical when he tells Sawyer not to interact yet does as much two minutes later.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SWOTI

Apparently, many people also missed the connection between Faraday and Desmond. This happens in an episode entitled "The Constant". (If I may editorialize, it was one of the best LOST episodes to date.) Faraday's Constant becomes Desmond when Desmond visits him at Oxford.

That's why he isn't hypocritical when he tells Sawyer not to interact yet does as much two minutes later.

I didn't miss it. I thought that it was so clearly obvious that it didn't need mentioning. And I agree: That episode was amazing (and Fionnoula Flanagan was in this current episode as well as "The Constant").

But for those who may have missed it, thanks for the point!

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by SWOTI

Apparently, many people also missed the connection between Faraday and Desmond. This happens in an episode entitled "The Constant". (If I may editorialize, it was one of the best LOST episodes to date.) Faraday's Constant becomes Desmond when Desmond visits him at Oxford.

That's why he isn't hypocritical when he tells Sawyer not to interact yet does as much two minutes later.

At the end of last season didn't Desmond visit Faraday pre-island crash? Why didn't Desmond remember seeing Farraday when he was at the door?

[SWOTI]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

At the end of last season didn't Desmond visit Faraday pre-island crash? Why didn't Desmond remember seeing Farraday when he was at the door?

That is simple. The Desmond at the door hadn't met Faraday yet. Thus, confusion ensued. However, notice that Desmond with Penny (in the present) immediately recognizes it for what it is: a memory rather than a dream. He remembers meeting Faraday. His past self doesn't because it hadn't happened. You can't change the past but you can change the future, which Faraday emphasized repeatedly.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

At the end of last season didn't Desmond visit Faraday pre-island crash? Why didn't Desmond remember seeing Farraday when he was at the door?

don't forget there's also a quick line where Des asks, "Don't I know you, Brother?" Or something like that. Perhaps that is a clue that he does sort of recognize Faraday.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by SWOTI

That is simple. The Desmond at the door hadn't met Faraday yet. Thus, confusion ensued. However, notice that Desmond with Penny (in the present) immediately recognizes it for what it is: a memory rather than a dream. He remembers meeting Faraday. His past self doesn't because it hadn't happened. You can't change the past but you can change the future, which Faraday emphasized repeatedly.

But the Desmond at the door did meet Faraday. Didn't Desmond go to Oxford before he landed on the island?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

Again, no. I don't think he changed anything by talking to Desmond.

And Desmond did recognize him. He has a line about it. Something like, "Don't I know you, brother?"

I think he mentioned something about Desmond being the only one able to change the future/past.

I have no idea why, perhaps what happened to him in the hatch when he hit the reset button.

[SWOTI]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

But the Desmond at the door did meet Faraday. Didn't Desmond go to Oxford before he landed on the island?

You have misunderstood the emphasis Faraday placed throughout the episode. You cannot change the past. Desmond at the door was in the past. He would not have remembered. However, the Desmond with Penny, or the present Desmond, would remember it. And as he says, it was not a dream but a memory.

Remember that it was the present Desmond that went to Oxford, not the one living in the hatch.

If I am incorrect, someone please jump in.

[SWOTI]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I think he mentioned something about Desmond being the only one able to change the future/past.

I have no idea why, perhaps what happened to him in the hatch when he hit the reset button.

It is because of "The Constant" - an episode last season. Desmond is Faraday's Constant.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I think he mentioned something about Desmond being the only one able to change the future/past.

I have no idea why, perhaps what happened to him in the hatch when he hit the reset button.

He says that the rules don't apply to Desmond because he's special. I have a feeling it has more to do with the fail-safe key and the hatch than it does with being anyone's constant. But who know? I'm sure the answers will come soon enough.

[SWOTI]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

He says that the rules don't apply to Desmond because he's special. I have a feeling it has more to do with the fail-safe key and the hatch than it does with being anyone's constant. But who know? I'm sure the answers will come soon enough.

I believe the fail-safe key in the hatch merely keeps the island invisible to the outside world.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by SWOTI

I believe the fail-safe key in the hatch merely keeps the island invisible to the outside world.

could be.

but that's sort of a different point. I'm just thinking that the reason Des is "special" and the "rules don't apply" to him is because of the amount of electromagnetism he was exposed to when he turned the key.

If Charlie or Jack or Hurley or Kelvin had turned the key instead of Des, then they would be the ones living outside the rules of time travel. That's all.

I don't think what makes Des special is his being Faraday's constant. I think as the show develops we'll see other people who are each other's constants (perhaps Ben and Charles are constants?) and they won't be living outside the "rules." Does that make sense?

Like I said, I could be waaaay off. I'm jus guessing here. Just the way I'm seeing things right now. Could change next episode with more/new information

[SWOTI]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

could be.

but that's sort of a different point. I'm just thinking that the reason Des is "special" and the "rules don't apply" to him is because of the amount of electromagnetism he was exposed to when he turned the key.

Nope. This is entirely related to "The Constant."

If Charlie or Jack or Hurley or Kelvin had turned the key instead of Des, then they would be the ones living outside the rules of time travel. That's all.

Doubtful, but it is still a possibility. One that I don't think we'll ever know, though.

I don't think what makes Des special is his being Faraday's constant. I think as the show develops we'll see other people who are each other's constants (perhaps Ben and Charles are constants?) and they won't be living outside the "rules." Does that make sense?

It was already speculated that Ben and Charles are Constants. This was somewhat confirmed when they didn't kill each other when they met. It's possible that what you posit is true. I just don't see it in what's been revealed thus far.

Like I said, I could be waaaay off. I'm jus guessing here. Just the way I'm seeing things right now. Could change next episode with more/new information

Likewise.