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Old 10-15-2011, 08:13 AM  
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Cassel, a statistical breakdown
http://www.homeofthechiefs.com/2011/...view/#more-505

I don't usually bring things from the other forum I'm registered with, but I thought this was as comprehensive an analysis of Cassel against bad teams vs. good teams as I've seen.

The guy isn't much of a writer, so he can make a long read even longer, but I think it's worth it.
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Old 10-15-2011, 11:05 AM   #46
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His ESPN.com player page. Click on "splits" then go to the bottom of the page.

Passes thrown 11-20 yards: 10/22 for 211 yards 1:1 ratio

Passes thrown over 20 yards: 6/13 for 219 yards 1:1 ratio

So he's completing a whopping 45% of his passes over 10 yards. Sadly, that's a slight improvement over past years. Of course, it helps that Bowe has been able to fair catch of a couple of those long "punts" Cassel has thrown.
It's the 11-20 stat that's pretty rough. That needs to definitely be a little better.

I think most people would be surprised by the 20+ yard pass numbers, I think most QB's start to go downhill when they try throwing passes over 20 yards. Tom Brady is 7/21 on passes over 20 yards this year. Philip Rivers is 6/17. Drew Brees is 9/18. Matt Stafford is 8/24. Sanchez is 5/17. I think that's pretty normal.
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Old 10-15-2011, 12:05 PM   #47
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It's the 11-20 stat that's pretty rough. That needs to definitely be a little better.

I think most people would be surprised by the 20+ yard pass numbers, I think most QB's start to go downhill when they try throwing passes over 20 yards. Tom Brady is 7/21 on passes over 20 yards this year. Philip Rivers is 6/17. Drew Brees is 9/18. Matt Stafford is 8/24. Sanchez is 5/17. I think that's pretty normal.
I would have to say the surprise factor is a part of this. Teams don't expect the Chiefs to go downfield because Check Down doesn't often take those shots.

I would also say the stats are skewed by the fact that most teams have a larger majority of short passes as called plays rather than the check down. Check Down has done a better job of that the last 2 games.
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Old 10-15-2011, 12:05 PM   #48
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Thread title should be

Cassel, a statistical beatdown
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Old 10-15-2011, 02:07 PM   #49
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JFC. That's why statistical measure of QB effectiveness suck. All the advanced stats suck because they are subjective. At the end of the day, yards per attempt is still the gold standard.
Nice to see someone I agree with about YPA.

I had a guy argue with me that it was a minor meaningless QB statistic.

It's minor and meaningless in the same way that a running back's YPC is minor and meaningless.
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Old 10-15-2011, 02:08 PM   #50
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a.) Our OL is not nearly as bad as people claim

b.) Hard to get pressure on bubble screens, swing passes and slants.
And 3rd and long draw plays.
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Old 10-15-2011, 04:08 PM   #51
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As if his mental and physical breakdowns weren't enough, sheesh. Statistical's take the longest to rehab, I hear.
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That is one thing that is missing, for sure.

Cassel had 257 yards against the Colts, and I'd bet that at least 150 yards came on yac.

That Bowe TD on the slant accounted for 40 yards yac, roughly, on it's own.
The completion % under pressure was the most telling stat in that article. You warned he wasn't the best writer, but he wasn't that bad.
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Does anyone know where this guy is getting his statistics from?

Cassel: 104/370 (28.1%)

According to PFF, from 2008-2010 Cassel's number is:

158/385 (41.03%)

That's a fairly huge discrepancy.
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I wish he would have just said that QBs do worse against better defenses and better QBs do better than crap QBs like Cassel.
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Does anyone know where this guy is getting his statistics from?

Cassel: 104/370 (28.1%)

According to PFF, from 2008-2010 Cassel's number is:

158/385 (41.03%)

That's a fairly huge discrepancy.
I'll check with him.
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I by no means support Cassel, but don't most QB's benefit from their recievers YAC? I know the year Brady put up super numbers both Moss and Welker had sick YAC numbers.
Quit posting logic. CP won't have any of it.
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Oh cool another Cassel sucks thread...how original....

I am seriously in shock the front office hasn't hired some of you...
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Oh cool another Cassel sucks thread...how original....

I am seriously in shock the front office hasn't hired some of you...
I am seriously in shock that the drool dripping from your chin hasn't yet shorted out your computer.
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I'll check with him.
Okay, he got back to me, and he says that he uses PFF, and after checking again, they have another set of numbers that match niether the ones he originally posted, nor the ones you posted.
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