If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2SWCd8Gea

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Cool! I knew my first premise was right, but needed someone smarter than I to break it down for me.

Its not right
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[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I had this discussion with a friend. He asked if we'd break .500, and I said I thought we would be above .500 but miss the playoffs.

He replied "always the optimist. Is Cassel really worth 6-7 losses and Romeo worth 2-3 losses?"

Hmm, I thought.

Yes.

Yes, they are. Cassel had 6 touchdowns and 21 turnovers in NINE GAMES. How hard do you think the defense was playing when they would force a punt, then Cassel turns the ball over on his own 15 yard line?

I think that Alex Smith is going to make an insane difference in this team's ability to compete on both sides of the ball. It isn't that I am optimistic about Alex Smith - it's that I concretely believe that we have watched a guy not talented enough to be a starting BCS QB try to play professionally for four years.

When we have just a legitimate - not a great, not outstanding... legitimate - QB under center, this team is going to be unrecognizable from the dumpster fire we have watched since ***** took over.

I won't argue that this team will be improved. It will. Alex Smith is a middle-of-the-pack QB rather than one of the 2-3 worst starting QBs.

This team is more talented and has more competent coaching. It will win more than 2 games unless injuries ravage the roster, and even then probably still win more than 2.

No problem recognizing that. Doesn't mean that this team has what it takes to bring KC playoff success this year (or has the upside to do that in the fuure).

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I won't argue that this team will be improved. It will. Alex Smith is a middle-of-the-pack QB rather than one of the 2-3 worst starting QBs.

This team is more talented and has more competent coaching. It will win more than 2 games unless injuries ravage the roster, and even then probably still win more than 2.

No problem recognizing that. Doesn't mean that this team has what it takes to bring KC playoff success this year (or has the upside to do that in the fuure).

Right. So other words we are going be average or another word mediocre

But we won't be losers damn it!!

**True Fan Gif.**

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I won't argue that this team will be improved. It will. Alex Smith is a middle-of-the-pack QB rather than one of the 2-3 worst starting QBs.

This team is more talented and has more competent coaching. It will win more than 2 games unless injuries ravage the roster, and even then probably still win more than 2.

No problem recognizing that. Doesn't mean that this team has what it takes to bring KC playoff success this year (or has the upside to do that in the fuure).

No, absolutely they don't have what it takes this year. But, while I disagreed with the Alex Smith trade, I understand why they did it. It was the front office's version of the "playoffs?!" rant. There are a lot of people around here who don't want to see the Chiefs try to field a competitive team unless they are a super bowl contender with a first overall QB selection at the helm.

It's just unrealistic.

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Right. So other words we are going be average or another word mediocre

But we won't be losers damn it!!

**True Fan Gif.**

Case in point. Dude is saying he'd rather lose lose lose than win any games without hope of a super bowl victory. Nobody goes from first overall to super bowl winner, dude. You have to actually BUILD in order to rebuild. **** me, it's nonsense around here these days.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

JFC It's still going

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I had this discussion with a friend. He asked if we'd break .500, and I said I thought we would be above .500 but miss the playoffs.

He replied "always the optimist. Is Cassel really worth 6-7 losses and Romeo worth 2-3 losses?"

Hmm, I thought.

Yes.

Yes, they are. Cassel had 6 touchdowns and 21 turnovers in NINE GAMES. How hard do you think the defense was playing when they would force a punt, then Cassel turns the ball over on his own 15 yard line?

I think that Alex Smith is going to make an insane difference in this team's ability to compete on both sides of the ball. It isn't that I am optimistic about Alex Smith - it's that I concretely believe that we have watched a guy not talented enough to be a starting BCS QB try to play professionally for four years.

When we have just a legitimate - not a great, not outstanding... legitimate - QB under center, this team is going to be unrecognizable from the dumpster fire we have watched since ***** took over.

Accurate observation.

This is what you have in Alex. He is a solid middle tier starting QB with some remarkable strengths, limited to mid-tier production by fatal weaknesses.

He is a damn good QB. I have no clue how good/bad Cassel was, but Alex is a jump up from Kolb or Sanchez. I would take Alex over Cutler or Romocoaster.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by PGM

JFC It's still going

Alex Smith threads never die. They will out last Rock and Roll.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by PGM

JFC It's still going

I know. It's amazing how long some people will argue over the same topic.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

I would take Alex over Cutler or Romocoaster.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Alex Smith threads never die. They will out last Rock and Roll.

Why is "going" unnecessarily capitalized?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Don't you see that to be weak... as a fan?

Think about it in another way. Fred has a girlfriend/wife he loves and adores. She breaks his heart by cheating on him and leaving him for his best friend. Fred mourns for years and each year, swears that he will never love and trust again.

Fred keeps his vow. Fred is now 90 years old... alone... and still miserable.

You know what, pal? How's about you and Fred go **** each other.
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I really don't understand how many times it has to be explained, or how much more empirical evidence must be put in some people's faces. You would think the overall "success" rate of this franchise would do the debating for itself. But not at Lil' Chiefy junction in herp-a-derpaville. The Train of Truth just goes roaring by, smashing the ever living piss out the '87 Hyundai's, herpilly parked on the tracks, that ARE Chiefs True Fans. Pure ****ing dumbassed insanity, these folk.
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[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Don't you see that to be weak... as a fan?

Think about it in another way. Fred has a girlfriend/wife he loves and adores. She breaks his heart by cheating on him and leaving him for his best friend. Fred mourns for years and each year, swears that he will never love and trust again.

Fred keeps his vow. Fred is now 90 years old... alone... and still miserable.

Trading for another team's backup as your starting QB = being in love with your girlfriend/wife

Riiiiiiiiggght... the two things are SO alike! I remember my wedding day. I thought to myself back then, "I can't remember the last time I was this happy... wait, yes I do. It was when the Chiefs traded for Elvis Grbac!"

[keg in kc]

Nobody ever swears they'll never love and trust again. At least not outside of YA novels.

Where do you guys come up with this crap?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by SNR

Trading for another team's backup as your starting QB = being in love with your girlfriend/wife

Riiiiiiiiggght... the two things are SO alike! I remember my wedding day. I thought to myself back then, "I can't remember the last time I was this happy... wait, yes I do. It was when the Chiefs traded for Elvis Grbac!"

mac-niners is such a useless ****. He's like 'Fraiser' without the humor.
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