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Old 09-15-2019, 09:10 AM  
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Attack on Saudi oil field a game-changer in Gulf confrontation

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/15/middl...ntl/index.html

(CNN)The attack on the world's largest oil processing plant early Saturday morning is a dramatic escalation in the confrontation between Iran and Saudi Arabia -- even if the Iranians didn't fire the drones or missiles responsible.
Several projectiles struck the Abiqaiq plant, starting a series of fires that quickly took out nearly half Saudi's oil production -- 5% of the global daily output -- and sparking fears about the security of the world's oil supplies.
It's unclear when Abiqaiq, which is operated by Saudi giant Aramco, will be fully operational again.

Houthi rebels in Yemen claimed the attack, saying that 10 drones had targeted Abiqaiq, as well as the Khurais oilfield. But attacks of this scale and accuracy would represent a sudden and remarkable increase in Houthi capabilities, and neither the United States nor Saudi Arabia is buying the claim.

The United States swiftly discounted the Houthi claim. Late Saturday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo tweeted: "Iran has now launched an unprecedented attack on the world's energy supply." And he added: "There is no evidence the attacks came from Yemen."

In response Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif accused Pompeo of engaging in deception. He wrote on Twitter: "Having failed at 'max pressure', @SecPompeo's turning to 'max deceit' US & its clients are stuck in Yemen because of illusion that weapon superiority will lead to military victory. Blaming Iran won't end disaster."

But where did this attack originate and who was behind it?

The Houthis have sent dozens of drones and short-range ballistic missiles against Saudi Arabia in the past two years. Many have been intercepted by Saudi air defenses; others have fallen harmlessly. A very few have caused limited damage and casualties.

Houthi drones are based on Iranian models, themselves often developed from North Korean technology. They are mostly short-range, up to 186 miles (300 km). However, a UN experts' panel reported in January on the deployment of longer-range drones "that would allow the Houthi forces to strike targets deep into Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates."

The UN panel said it had information that one had crashed within 18 miles (30 km) of Riyadh.

Even so, the maximum range of this system, dubbed the UAV-X, would be between 740 and 930 miles (1,200 and 1,500 km), depending on wind conditions. The distance from Houthi-held parts of Yemen to Abqaiq is about 800 miles (1,300 km).

A source with knowledge of the incident told CNN National Security Analyst Peter Bergen late Saturday that preliminary indications were the drones/missiles "did not originate from Yemen and likely originated from Iraq." A second source in the Gulf region told CNN that while there was no proof yet, the indications were that the attack originated in southern Iraq.

Pro-Iranian militia are well-entrenched in southern Iraq, and the Quds Force, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards unit in charge of foreign operations, has a presence there. Earlier this year, some regional analysts assessed that a drone attack on a pumping station at Afif in northern Saudi Arabia originated in Iraq. But no hard evidence was produced.

The Iraqi government Sunday issued a statement rejecting reports "about its land being used to attack Saudi oil facilities."

The Houthis themselves have suggested, without providing any evidence, that they had help from inside the kingdom for these latest attacks. Their spokesman Yahya Saree said the operation followed "an accurate intelligence operation and advance monitoring and cooperation of honorable people inside the kingdom."

Analysts take that to mean elements of the restive Shia population in Saudi Arabia's Eastern Province. Abqaiq lies between the predominantly Shia area of Qatif and Ahsa, which has a substantial minority Shia population. But they caution that it's in the Houthis' interests to try to stir internal tensions and it seems far-fetched that local people could have assisted such an attack.

Wherever the attack originated and whoever pulled the trigger, these attacks are a step-change in what has already become a dangerous confrontation, with the sabotage of merchant shipping in the Gulf and the acute deterioration of the situation in Yemen, as well as several aerial attacks on Shia militia camps in Iraq in recent months.

While not confirming it was behind the attacks, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said Israel is prepared to strike at pro-Iranian actors wherever they are considered a threat, including in Iraq.
No previous attack, since the Yemen conflict began four years ago, has interrupted oil supplies. This one has taken 5.7 million barrels a day off the market and demonstrated the vulnerability of the pumping heart of Saudi Arabia's oil industry.

Saudi Arabia has invested heavily in advanced air defense systems. Ayham Kamal at the Eurasia Group says that the "critical problem for the kingdom is structural; most of Saudi Arabia's air defense systems are designed to defend against traditional threats and are ill-equipped to tackle asymmetrical aerial threats such as drones."

That vulnerability is enhanced when so many essential parts of the infrastructure -- "storage, processing, and compressor trains -- are located within a small area," he adds.

The attacks have drawn in the international community, with the US declaring that it is ready to open its Strategic Petroleum Reserve if necessary, and President Donald Trump calling Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
At present, there is plentiful oil on the market. OPEC and its producing ally Russia have cut production this year to support prices. But Saudi Arabia is normally the organization's "swing producer" with the ability to reduce or increase the flow as required. That ability is crimped for now.

Much depends on the damage reports, and what "work-arounds" might be possible to restore full production and soothe markets' nerves. "The most critical elements of Saudi Arabia's oil infrastructure include several redundancies," Kamal says.

How Saudi Arabia will respond in other ways -- such as redoubling its military campaign against the Houthis in Yemen -- is yet to be seen.
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:01 AM   #691
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If we apply Donger's logic and reasoning here, then America needs to return most of our land over to the American Indians and the American SouthWest to Mexico. I don't support that—nor would he or GloryHolz ( who is a thought-crime bully)

Don't get me wrong, I am not for getting rid of Israel as she exists now, because it is too late for that, but how it came about isn't what some claim. I don't agree with how it was done, nor support the UN's involvement—the very UN the same righties claim to despise as useless. I think if the matter was left alone between the Jews settling there and the Arabs, the likely outcome would have been different and with less conflict. It can't be resolved by any state action—but has more of a chance via private action.
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:12 AM   #692
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:15 AM   #693
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Do you know which one is a crime, and which one is not?

What if the war is an illegal, immoral, or stupid one?
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Do you know which one is a crime, and which one is not?

What if the war is an illegal, immoral, or stupid one?
I don’t recall what the both were
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What a fraud Pompass is.

Pompeo’s Arrogant Definition of ‘Diplomatic Resolution’

Pompeo claims that the Trump administration wants a “diplomatic resolution,” which of course is just his code for Iranian surrender to their excessive and unreasonable demands:
QUESTION: What does a diplomatic resolution mean? The attack happened.

SECRETARY POMPEO: Yeah. So the resolution looks like this: Iran becomes a normal nation. We laid out now a year ago in May —
There cannot be a genuine diplomatic resolution when our government doesn’t acknowledge that the other state has any legitimate interests and demands that their side give up everything that Washington wants. What Pompeo seeks is Iran’s humiliation, and the Iranian government understandably isn’t going to give him what he wants. The key problem here is that the Trump administration blows a lot of hot air about diplomacy but refuses to practice it. They wage economic war and deliver ultimatums, and then complain that Iran is not responding to their “diplomacy” in the way they want. Well, the victim doesn’t cooperate with the strangler as he tries to choke the life out of him, and economic warfare and threats aren’t diplomacy.

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What I don't get about the right: They often suspect the major US media outlets but instantly trust them when it comes to Iran. This tells me that it's the same Establishment that is pushing this, the same who pushed for Iraq, which Trump ran against.
US BLAMES IRAN FOR SAUDI REFINERY ATTACK

Even though the Houthis of Yemen took credit for last Saturday’s attack on a major Saudi oil refinery, the US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and every major US media outlet were eager to blame Iran, with the pompous Pompeo calling it an “act of war.”

But so far the evidence looks thin at best and suspiciously planted at worst. As a former military pilot, my problem with the pictures of the damage is that there is only a single hole in every one of the 14 spherical gas storage tanks in the refinery and none of them exploded.

I know of no explosive munitions capable of putting a uniform sized hole, in the exact same location on each the numerous tank without exploding the contents and destroying the tanks themselves—and yet that’s what the pictures purportedly show.

President Trump always seems to go along with US intelligence when it cooks up evidence like this against either Syria or Iran. He naively said, “It's 'looking like' Iran was responsible for Saudi oil attacks,” and bragged that the US was “locked and loaded.” Iran disavowed the attack, calling it “maximum lies” and said they were ready to repel any attack.

Saudi Arabia compared this attack to its own 9/11, possibly setting the stage to attack Iran....

https://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/
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What I don't get about the right, is they rarely believe major US media outlets but instantly do when it comes to Iran. This tells me that it's the same Establishment that is pushing this, which Trump ran against.
US BLAMES IRAN FOR SAUDI REFINERY ATTACK

Even though the Houthis of Yemen took credit for last Saturday’s attack on a major Saudi oil refinery, the US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and every major US media outlet were eager to blame Iran, with the pompous Pompeo calling it an “act of war.”

But so far the evidence looks thin at best and suspiciously planted at worst. As a former military pilot, my problem with the pictures of the damage is that there is only a single hole in every one of the 14 spherical gas storage tanks in the refinery and none of them exploded.

I know of no explosive munitions capable of putting a uniform sized hole, in the exact same location on each the numerous tank without exploding the contents and destroying the tanks themselves—and yet that’s what the pictures purportedly show.

President Trump always seems to go along with US intelligence when it cooks up evidence like this against either Syria or Iran. He naively said, “It's 'looking like' Iran was responsible for Saudi oil attacks,” and bragged that the US was “locked and loaded.” Iran disavowed the attack, calling it “maximum lies” and said they were ready to repel any attack.

Saudi Arabia compared this attack to its own 9/11, possibly setting the stage to attack Iran....

https://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/
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How does an asperger's little girl know if her dreams have been stolen by world leaders? Or even if she doesn't have aspergers how would she know. There is only ONE WAY should could believe this—she's been told so, and instructed to say that. She hasn't a clue on her own, because not only is she not mature enough and has other mental disabilities. I thought asperger/autistic children have trouble relating to others and the world around them. But this gets falsely labeled and pick-ing on a child. Gimme a break!
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How does an asperger's little girl know if her dreams have been stolen by world leaders? Or even if she doesn't have aspergers how would she know. There is only ONE WAY should could believe this—she's been told so, and instructed to say that. She hasn't a clue on her own, because not only is she not mature enough and has other mental disabilities. I thought asperger/autistic children have trouble relating to others and the world around them. But this gets falsely labeled and pick-ing on a child. Gimme a break!
She has fetal alcohol syndrome. Like Lodeo.
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