Football First openly gay NFL player to come out soon? - Page 13

Deberg_1990 · 03-26-2013, 06:51 AM

Would this really be that big a deal anymore??

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mi...er-to-come-out

Former NFL player Scott Fujita has seen enough. He's tired of the bigotry. He wants it to end. He's not alone.

Players like Fujita, along with a coalition of current and former NFL players, and NFL team owners, a music mogul and others, are working diligently to create a safe atmosphere for the day history will happen: when an openly gay man will be a member of an NFL club. People like Fujita -- brave people -- are attempting to make the issue a non-issue for when that day comes.

And there are serious indications that day may come sooner than later. While I've long believed I would not see an openly gay NFL player for decades, that might be wrong.

Based on interviews over the past several weeks with current and former players, I'm told that a current gay NFL player is strongly considering coming out publicly within the next few months -- and after doing so, the player would attempt to continue his career.

I'm told this player feels the time is now for someone to take this step -- despite homophobic remarks from San Francisco 49ers defensive back Chris Culliver and the controversy arising recently at the Indianapolis Scouting combine, when prospects were asked questions about their sexuality.

This player's true concern, I'm told, is not the reaction inside an NFL locker room but outside of it. The player fears he will suffer serious harm from homophobic fans, and that is the only thing preventing him from coming out. My sources will not say who this alleged player is.

There has never been an active openly gay player in a major American team sport, but the information I've gathered on the player in question comes from several current and former players.

"I honestly think the players of the NFL have been ready for an openly gay player for quite some time now," said Fujita, a free agent linebacker who has played for the Chiefs, Cowboys, Saints and Browns. "Trust me, the coming out of a player would create much bigger waves outside the locker room than inside. The way I've seen the conversation around LGBT issues evolve, especially in the past few years, has been encouraging. Guys are more accepting than they used to be. Even those who raise personal objections to homosexuality, some of whom are good friends of mine, would still be able to coexist and accept a gay teammate."

Over the past few days there's been a flurry of activity on the issue including a brief filed by Fujita and others in support of a marriage equality case before the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court on Tuesday will hear oral arguments on California's Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriage. Opponents of the proposition say it discriminates against gay men and women.

To Fujita and others, this is an important case that could have ramifications in the NFL. If the Supreme Court overturns Proposition 8, it would send yet another signal to closeted gay NFL players that the environment is changing for the better.

The brief's supporters are impressive. They include: Giants co-owner Steve Tisch; Demaurice Smith, executive director of the NFLPA; Vikings punter Chris Kluwe, Ravens linebacker Brendon Ayanbadejo; Marie Tillman, co-founder of the Pat Tillman Foundation; Russell Simmons, founder of Def Jam Records; former UFC light heavyweight champion Rashad Evans; Browns center Alex Mack; and NFL players Connor Barwin, D'Qwell Jackson, Tom Crabtree, Eric Winston and Scott Shanle, among others.

There is a feeling among people who have fought this battle for years that a corner is about to be turned. I don't know. While my faith in humanity remains tepid, it's balanced by my faith in people like Fujita.

Brock · 03-26-2013, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Show me a gay dude willing to shut the **** up without telling the world he sucks dick and throwing a parade and l'll be impressed.

I could show you several, but you'd still be a moron.

Marcellus · 03-26-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Do you think straight men disrespect boundaries with women sometimes?

I think you guys are swinging and missing on what Detox is trying to say.

I was in the military with a a guy who we all assumed was gay, he couldn't be open about it because at the time it was an exit out, but we were fairly sure he was gay.This was an infantry unit mind you. The guy didn't have any issues because he knew better than to mess with anyone or push the issue. Even though we knew he was gay, he was not ostracized or anything. The guy was an E-6 so it didn't appear he was being held back in any way either.

I have also worked with openly gay people in the civilian workplace where a few specific gay people would go out of their way to make you uncomfortable with it on purpose. Push things to see how far they could get away with it because if anything was said they cried discrimination.

I think whether gay or straight, there are boundaries at work. End of story.

And yea the boundaries may not be the exact same for gay and strait people because boundaries are determined by what is deemed offensive and that is also up to the person involved. Just like any other sexual or workplace harassment issue.

You always need to know your environment and your audience.

That is called life.

My sister is a fairly outspoken lesbian, we have had some very interesting discussions on these types of things.

Spott · 03-26-2013, 12:28 PM

Whoever it is, I hope he plays for the Packers.

**ptlyon** · 03-26-2013, 12:29 PM

Pics Marcellus!

ModSocks · 03-26-2013, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

And yea the boundaries may not be the exact same for gay and strait people because boundaries are determined by what is deemed offensive and that is also up to the person involved. Just like any other sexual or workplace harassment issue.
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Truth.

patteeu · 03-26-2013, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think you guys are swinging and missing on what Detox is trying to say.

I was in the military with a a guy who we all assumed was gay, he couldn't be open about it because at the time it was an exit out, but we were fairly sure he was gay.This was an infantry unit mind you. The guy didn't have any issues because he knew better than to mess with anyone or push the issue. Even though we knew he was gay, he was not ostracized or anything. The guy was an E-6 so it didn't appear he was being held back in any way either.

I have also worked with openly gay people in the civilian workplace where a few specific gay people would go out of their way to make you uncomfortable with it on purpose. Push things to see how far they could get away with it because if anything was said they cried discrimination.

I think whether gay or straight, there are boundaries at work. End of story.

And yea the boundaries may not be the exact same for gay and strait people because boundaries are determined by what is deemed offensive and that is also up to the person involved. Just like any other sexual or workplace harassment issue.

You always need to know your environment and your audience.

That is called life.

My sister is a fairly outspoken lesbian, we have had some very interesting discussions on these types of things.

And you don't think this happens between some men and the women they're around?

Imon Yourside · 03-26-2013, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Show me a gay dude willing to shut the **** up without telling the world he sucks dick and throwing a parade and l'll be impressed.

**Canofbier** · 03-26-2013, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Show me a gay dude willing to shut the **** up without telling the world he sucks dick and throwing a parade and l'll be impressed.

I'll bet you already interact with those people on a regular basis, and you just don't know that they're gay. Believe it or not, most gays aren't parading around in rainbow capes, lisping at people indignantly.

seaofred · 03-26-2013, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

And you don't think this happens between some men and the women they're around?

I don't think anyone is saying, it doesn't happen between men and women. In fact, I'm pretty sure they are saying it ALSO happens between men and men.

bowener · 03-26-2013, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Show me a gay dude willing to shut the **** up without telling the world he sucks dick and throwing a parade and l'll be impressed.

Are you ****ing serious or just a dumbass?

If you're going to follow along the lines of ridiculous stereotypes, then I will to. From your post it is easy to see that you are actually a closeted gay man that is angry at other gay men for having the balls and pride to come out to the world and their family and friends. You just hide pouting and full of self indignation. Grow up.

Dayze · 03-26-2013, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott

Whoever it is, I hope he plays for the Packers.

this thread has some gold moments.

patteeu · 03-26-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by seaofred

I don't think anyone is saying, it doesn't happen between men and women. In fact, I'm pretty sure they are saying it ALSO happens between men and men.

Then what's the point of bringing it up in this thread? It's not a characteristic related to being gay.

Prison Bitch · 03-26-2013, 01:20 PM

I want him paraded around NYC with Goodell, to discuss how to work with other males without harrassing them. I want Gloria Allred at a presser, talking about how "concerned" she is with potential sexual harassment in the workplace. And of course, I want him role-playing harassment situations with a licensed & trained "diversity trainer" who will show him the way to interact appropriately with others.

My wish, for you, is that the diversity training turns into all you wanted to. (Of course, the NFL will do the exact opposite and put the other 1500 players into THEIR OWN diversity training)

ChiefsCountry · 03-26-2013, 01:23 PM

No smear the queer jokes?

**loochy** · 03-26-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

No smear the queer jokes?

no because soon tackling will not be allowed in the NFL

03-26-2013, 06:51 AM
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