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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

**Baby Lee** · 05-13-2010, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Right, I get that but I don't understand how "more" of that energy could destroy the world.

My recent EM posts were not about Lost, but EM alone.

You may well 'get that' but you were masking it well saying we're not made of EM and that EM fields are around us but not in us.

**AustinChief** · 05-13-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The second one doesn't make any sense, unless he's referring to his soul.

Why would he do that to his brother? Unless he's actually evil himself. But that wouldn't make sense either because Jacob is allowed to travel to and from the real world.

They had better reveal this mystery.

He isn't evil himself, but at that time he was rash and vengeful... neither character is meant to be purely good or evil... simply protaganist(Jacob) and antagonist(mib)... doesn't have to make them good vs evil.

The actor's theory on traveling from the island was something about him being the guardian and allowed to leave for specific purposes... kinda weak though.

Red Brooklyn · 05-13-2010, 03:24 PM

I don't see why it's a big deal that Jacob can travel off the island. I think how is a bigger mystery than why.

Red Brooklyn · 05-13-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

The EM force is what keeps electrons orbiting nuclei and attracts atoms to other atoms. And the electrons that orbit each and every one of the atoms in your body are fungible with the electrons traveling along the copper in your computer.

Yeah, see, I didn't even know this. I'm sure I studied it at one time or another but... there you go. If this is accurate, (and I trust it is) I'm 100% positive that the "light" is just a physical representation of the same EM energy we've been seeing all along.

Thanks, Baby.

**AustinChief** · 05-13-2010, 03:38 PM

OK, so given that the "mother" had been on the island seemingly a long time... and she speaks Latin to Claudia...

This means either

a)she is from Italy circa 300BC or later
b)she had extensive contact with Romans, enough to learn the language.. which leads to more possibilities as well...
1)other Romans had visited the island within the last few hundred years
2)she had a means to travel or at least view/hear other places
3)she had some "power" that allowed her to know languages

if the answer is b) 2) then I retract my posit that she is also a smokey since being smokey seems to chain you to the island... UNLESS smokey is only chained to the island when a"guardian" won't let him leave... and if she was both guardian and smokey, she could do whatever the hell she wanted... but it's more likely she was powerful or had access to power that manifests in another form.... using THAT to fill holes and burn villages and possibly travel the world (or view via lighthouse or other device) on occasion like Jacob did.

Red Brooklyn · 05-13-2010, 03:41 PM

Solid post, AustinChief. I could get on board with that. I think either explanation works. Either she was a Smoke monster or she tapped into the island's properties. Either way works in different ways, and I like both ideas for different reasons.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-13-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

My recent EM posts were not about Lost, but EM alone.

You may well 'get that' but you were masking it well saying we're not made of EM and that EM fields are around us but not in us.

I'm not "masking" anything, I was trying to resolve outloud as to how The Mother was using the word "inside" as it relates to the Light force being EM.

When people speak to "what we're made of", EM is not often mentioned.

**AustinChief** · 05-13-2010, 04:40 PM

and IF she could pull the view/travel stuff that Jacob later does... then he could have been on the island for an untold number of years... possibly she is egyptian and came with the builders of the statue... which given that the statue is Taweret .. it probably dates her in the range of 2800BC to 1000BC

keg in kc · 05-13-2010, 04:45 PM

The last shot of the series will be Kate waking up to find Jack and Sawyer in the shower.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-13-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

and IF she could pull the view/travel stuff that Jacob later does... then he could have been on the island for an untold number of years... possibly she is egyptian and came with the builders of the statue... which given that the statue is Taweret .. it probably dates her in the range of 2800BC to 1000BC

But how can you reconcile her with the ability to be a "Smoke Monster" AND leave the island without everything "ceasing to exist"?

Furthermore, she was already a murderer and whacked in the head. IF she had the ability to become a Smoke Monster at anytime, why wouldn't she want to make everything "cease to exist"?

**AustinChief** · 05-13-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But how can you reconcile her with the ability to be a "Smoke Monster" AND leave the island without everything "ceasing to exist"?

Furthermore, she was already a murderer and whacked in the head. IF she had the ability to become a Smoke Monster at anytime, why wouldn't she want to make everything "cease to exist"?

I addressed this a few posts back... if she is smokeylike then the smokeys can't leave because of the guardians... since she would be BOTH, she can do whatever...

Yes she is whacked but clearly whacked in a "killing to save the greater good is a-ok" way...

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-13-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

I addressed this a few posts back... if she is smokeylike then the smokeys can't leave because of the guardians... since she would be BOTH, she can do whatever...

Yes she is whacked but clearly whacked in a "killing to save the greater good is a-ok" way...

Wow, that is a whole lot of supposition.

I think she was a person that was somehow bamboozled into becoming the guardian of the Cave, just as Desmond was bamboozled into punching numbers into a computer.

Maybe Desmond has been bamboozled again and will end up as the Island protector.

Mile High Mania · 05-13-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by teedubya

Well, knowing that Hurley and MIB both speak to dead people is some indication of something... something has to come of it.

Yep this is the type of 'shock' that I'm expecting... Hurley the good guy (pretty much the same as young MIB) all of a sudden getting f'ed in the end and becoming Smokey v3.0

Young MIB was a good guy, didn't like being lied to and wanted off the island... appears as if most of the others liked him. Same thing with Hurley.

Mile High Mania · 05-13-2010, 06:12 PM

Check out the back stories and similarities of Ben and John... saw a post on DarkUFO that was pretty interesting.

Bottom line... there are about 50 different ways to slice the ending, and most will be good.

Chiefnj2 · 05-13-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

and IF she could pull the view/travel stuff that Jacob later does... then he could have been on the island for an untold number of years... possibly she is egyptian and came with the builders of the statue... which given that the statue is Taweret .. it probably dates her in the range of 2800BC to 1000BC

Why weren't there signs of Egyptian influence when Jacob and MIB were growing up?

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05-13-2010, 03:24 PM	#5298
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05-13-2010, 03:38 PM	#5300
AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $2719112	OK, so given that the "mother" had been on the island seemingly a long time... and she speaks Latin to Claudia... This means either a)she is from Italy circa 300BC or later b)she had extensive contact with Romans, enough to learn the language.. which leads to more possibilities as well... 1)other Romans had visited the island within the last few hundred years 2)she had a means to travel or at least view/hear other places 3)she had some "power" that allowed her to know languages if the answer is b) 2) then I retract my posit that she is also a smokey since being smokey seems to chain you to the island... UNLESS smokey is only chained to the island when a"guardian" won't let him leave... and if she was both guardian and smokey, she could do whatever the hell she wanted... but it's more likely she was powerful or had access to power that manifests in another form.... using THAT to fill holes and burn villages and possibly travel the world (or view via lighthouse or other device) on occasion like Jacob did.
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05-13-2010, 03:41 PM	#5301
Red Brooklyn Veteran Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY Casino cash: $8151398	Solid post, AustinChief. I could get on board with that. I think either explanation works. Either she was a Smoke monster or she tapped into the island's properties. Either way works in different ways, and I like both ideas for different reasons.
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AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $2719112	and IF she could pull the view/travel stuff that Jacob later does... then he could have been on the island for an untold number of years... possibly she is egyptian and came with the builders of the statue... which given that the statue is Taweret .. it probably dates her in the range of 2800BC to 1000BC
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05-13-2010, 04:45 PM	#5304
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05-13-2010, 06:12 PM	#5309
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3727229	Check out the back stories and similarities of Ben and John... saw a post on DarkUFO that was pretty interesting. Bottom line... there are about 50 different ways to slice the ending, and most will be good. __________________
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