Disappointed in McCluster

[Hammock Parties]

Bla bla bla, he's a playmaker, he has two touchdowns already, whatever.

He has seven catches for 93 yards. 1/3 of that yardage came on one play. At least two of those are screen passes I believe.

That ****ing sucks.

This guy needs to be a threat as a WIDE RECEIVER. He hasnt made a single play down the field. I'm not even talking 20 yards. How about 10? How about coming off the line, putting your foot in the ground, getting open and giving Cassel a target?

I'm not willing to accept the idea that Cassel is so god awful he makes all our wide receivers look terrible.

McCluster hasn't done shit yet. And he was utter garbage in Indy.

Don't buy any of his ****ing t-shirts.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Han Solo

250 carries and 50 catches is not a workhorse load.

It's less than 20 touches a game.

It's what he did in 2010.

Except... its not.

If he did it in 2010 he would have had 300 touches... did he?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Except... its not.

If he did it in 2010 he would have had 300 touches... did he?

275 touches in 2010.

300 touches in 2012.

HUGE DIFFERENCE...a whole 1.56 touches more per game!

Pull your head out of your ass.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If we draft Richardson, that opens Dexter up to line up in the backfield and shift/motion to get advantageous matchups.

Yeah, let's take Charles off the field.

FYI, there is not advantageous matchup with Dexter. He's not good at beating defenders as he's shown time and time again.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Han Solo

Charles - 300
Bowe - 80
Breaston - 50
Moeaki - 50
Baldwin - 40

520 touches

McBuster is way down the list of players who need touches, thanks.

Last year, we ran 1021 plays from scrimmage.

If we give the ball to Charles more than 220 times, we are putting our best weapon at greater risk of re-injury and that would be straight up foolish.

[Hammock Parties]

Yeah, so?

Those are conservative estimates.

Sixth, or seventh in line for touches = minimal impact.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If we draft Richardson, that opens Dexter up to line up in the backfield and shift/motion to get advantageous matchups.

I could see it effecting his touches, but I could also see his average and total yardage going up.

Boss, I like McCluster's potential too, but he's going to become a gimmick player. There simply isn't a way to put him on the field without taking somebody important off of it.

The Chiefs desperately need a big thumper back to complement Charles. So if I'm taking away carries from Charles, that's the guy I'm going to use (not McCluster). The Chiefs have 3 very good receivers in Bowe, Baldwin, and Breaston -- unless you take Breaston out of the slot, McCluster isn't an option there either. You'd expect the Chiefs to be active in bringing in a good TE to run 2-TE sets. You have sets where you're going to want a fullback in your backfield.

Unfortunately, the only scenarios you can think of is maybe taking a few carries at the most away from Charles a game and on passing 3rd down situations. Or... if you don't sign Bowe. Otherwise, there's a lot of important people you're taking off the field.

[BossChief]

Only in your mind.

[Hammock Parties]

At best he will be 6th.

Why would you throw him the ball over Charles, Bowe, Moeaki, Breaston or Baldwin?

****ing stupid.

We'd also be dumb as **** to make him RB2, but I'll give him an outside chance since our GM is dumb as ****.

If he's RB2 he might have 60-70 touches.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Boss, I like McCluster's potential too, but he's going to become a gimmick player. There simply isn't a way to put him on the field without taking somebody important off of it.

The Chiefs desperately need a big thumper back to complement Charles. So if I'm taking away carries from Charles, that's the guy I'm going to use (not McCluster). The Chiefs have 3 very good receivers in Bowe, Baldwin, and Breaston -- unless you take Breaston out of the slot, McCluster isn't an option there either. You'd expect the Chiefs to be active in bringing in a good TE to run 2-TE sets. You have sets where you're going to want a fullback in your backfield.

Unfortunately, the only scenarios you can think of is maybe taking a few carries at the most away from Charles a game and on passing 3rd down situations. Or... if you don't sign Bowe. Otherwise, there's a lot of important people you're taking off the field.

Why do you keep saying this?

He was drafted to be a gimmick player.

[jd1020]

In 2010 the #2 WR was Chambers who caught 22 passes and was targeted 44 times.

In 2011 the #2 WR was Breaston who caught 61 passes and was targeted 100 times.

Baldwin started late, because of the holdout and Jones, and he caught 21 passes and was targeted 52 times.

Now all of a sudden Charles is going to have a record year in touches because the Chiefs got even more weapons on offense.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Unfortunately, the only scenarios you can think of is maybe taking a few carries at the most away from Charles a game and on passing 3rd down situations. Or... if you don't sign Bowe. Otherwise, there's a lot of important people you're taking off the field.

This is exactly why I thought his touches would go down last year.

And then Baldwin, Charles and Moeaki got hurt, so he picked up garbage yards.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by jd1020

In 2010 the #2 WR was Chambers who caught 22 passes and was targeted 44 times.

In 2011 the #2 WR was Breaston who caught 61 passes and was targeted 100 times.

Baldwin started late because of the holdout and Jones and he caught 21 passes and was targeted 52 times.

Now all of a sudden Charles is going to have a record year in touches because the Chiefs got even more weapons on offense.

Fine, call it 275 touches, whatever.

There's little difference. 300 carries is not a workhorse load, and we will probably lean on him a little more because he is our best player and we are making a run for it all.

"Charles needs more carries."

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Han Solo

This is exactly why I thought his touches would go down last year.

And then Baldwin, Charles and Moeaki got hurt, so he picked up garbage yards.

Stop being Henry Rollins.

All three were hurt when we made our bet.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Why do you keep saying this?

He was drafted to be a gimmick player.

No, he was drafted to be a slot WR, which is why we spent a high pick on him. We thought he could be a 50+ catches a year guy.

He failed at that so now he runs reverses, screens, falls down on passes in the flat, and gets carries in place of brokedicks.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Han Solo

Fine, call it 275 touches, whatever.

There's little difference. 300 carries is not a workhorse load, and we will probably lean on him a little more because he is our best player and we are making a run for it all.

"Charles needs more carries."

We still have yet to even know who the Chiefs are going to get to replace Jones/Battle.

If the Chiefs wind up drafting Richardson, although I don't think they'll even have the opportunity, there is not a chance in hell Charles gets near that.