**** OFFICIAL 2013-2014 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread ****

[ArrowheadHawk]

#18 AP/ #20 Coaches (10-4,1-0)

Players

Spoiler!

Returning Players
1 Naadir Tharpe Guard 5-11 170 Jr.
3 Andrew White III Guard 6-6 210 So.
4 Justin Wesley Forward 6-9 220 RS Sr.
10 Evan Manning Guard 6-3 170 So.
11 Tyler Self Guard 6-2 165 So.
20 Niko Roberts Guard 5-11 175 Sr.
21 Christian Garrett Guard 6-3 185 Jr.
31 Jamari Traylor Forward 6-8 220 RS So.
33 Landen Lucas Forward 6-10 240 RS Fr.
34 Perry Ellis Forward 6-8 225 So.

Incoming Class
SF ***** Wayne Selden
C ***** Joel Embiid
PG **** Conner Frankamp
SF **** Brannen Greene
PG **** Frank Mason
SF ***** Andrew Wiggins

Transfers
Hunter Mickelson
Tarik Black

Non Conference
11/8/2013 Louisiana Monroe Lawrence, Kan. W(80-63) (1-0)
11/12/2013 Duke Chicago, Ill. W(94-83) (2-0)
11/19/2013 Iona Lawrence, Kan. W(86-66) (3-0)
11/22/2013 Towson W(88-58) (4-0)
11/28/2013 Wake Forest Paradise Island, Bahamas W(87-78) (5-0)
11/29/2013 Villanova Paradise Island, Bahamas L(59-63) (5-1)
11/30/2013 UTEP Paradise Island, Bahamas W(67-63) (6-1)
12/7/2013 Colorado Boulder, Colo. L(72-75) (6-2)
12/10/2013 Florida Gainesville, Fla. L(61-67) (6-3)
12/14/2013 New Mexico Kansas City, Mo. W(80-63)(7-3)
12/21/2013 Georgetown Lawrence, Kan. W(86-64)(8-3)
12/30/2013 Toledo Lawrence, Kan. W(93-83)(9-3)
1/5/2014 San Diego State Lawrence, Kan. L(57-61)(9-4)
Conference

Spoiler!

1/8/2014 Oklahoma Norman, Okla. W(90-83)(10-4,1-0)
1/11/2014 Kansas State Lawrence, Kan. 1 p.m.
1/13/2014 Iowa State Ames, Iowa 8 p.m.
1/18/2014 Oklahoma State Lawrence, Kan. 3 p.m.
1/20/2014 Baylor Lawrence, Kan. 8 p.m.
1/25/2014 TCU Fort Worth, Texas 8 p.m.
1/29/2014 Iowa State Lawrence, Kan. 8 p.m.
2/1/2014 Texas Austin, Texas 3 p.m.
2/4/2014 Baylor Waco, Texas 6 p.m.
2/8/2014 West Virginia Lawrence, Kan. 3 p.m.
2/10/2014 Kansas State Manhattan, Kan. 8 p.m.
2/15/2014 TCU Lawrence, Kan. 3 p.m.
2/18/2014 Texas Tech Lubbock, Texas 7 p.m.
2/22/2014 Texas Lawrence, Kan. 6:30 p.m.
2/24/2014 Oklahoma Lawrence, Kan. 8 p.m.
3/1/2014 Oklahoma State Stillwater, Okla. 8 p.m.
3/5/2014 Texas Tech Lawrence, Kan. 7 p.m.
3/8/2014 West Virginia Morgantown, W. Va. 11 a.m.
Big 12 Championship
3/12-15/2014 TBD Kansas City, Mo. TBD Details

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

There was absolutely no contact on that three. Now, Mason hacked him while he was dribbling. That is quite stupid, but either player touched the shooter. Gay.

Doesn't matter. No reason to be anywhere near the guy and even give the refs an opportunity to make a call like that. Just as there was no reason for him to be anywhere near the shooter on the last possession. The guy just forgot time and score both times. Too competitive for his own good perhaps, but at least we have somebody like that.

I thought so too. Particularly when they needed threes and he could sell out on the block. I'd have put him back.

I'd be playing him as much as possible if he's not in foul trouble. He makes them far better in every way (offense, defense, and rebounding).

Overall, what a shitty ****ing performance. We should have demolished their Triangle and 2. It should have been embarrassing. Hopefully Self gets back in the gym and back to work.

They had their 15 point win before the awful end there, but it would have been 20+ if they played well. Team is just too soft right now.

Annnnnd. **** Stan Van Gundy. I eventually just muted that shit.

Personally, I liked his analysis. Was right on the mark most of the game. Of course, maybe that's because he's the first analyst that's actually recognized Embiid for what he is and could potentially be.

[okcchief]

The last few games is what i expected from the start. This team is too young to not have stretches like this. The Jayhawks will be a tough out in March though. That's all that matters.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I agree with the scout Stan Van Gundy was referring to. I'd take Embiid #1 if I had to choose among the top prospects right now.

Some of us tried to tell you that weeks ago.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Some of us tried to tell you that weeks ago.

Huh? What are you going on about now?

[KC_Connection]

Seriously, I can't find any record of me saying Embiid couldn't be #1 or me even arguing about him at all with you or anybody else. What were you referring to?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Seriously, I can't find any record of me saying Embiid couldn't be #1 or me even arguing about him at all with you or anybody else. What were you referring to?

Some of us suggested it after the exhibitions, don't be so touchy. It's all good.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Some of us suggested it after the exhibitions, don't be so touchy. It's all good.

I'm not touchy, I'm just struggling to understand where you're getting this idea that I somehow disputed that.

[Prison Bitch]

Watching this final, I really think we'd have lost to both teams tonite if we played. Even Nova again.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Watching this final, I really think we'd have lost to both teams tonite if we played. Even Nova again.

Depends on if Embiid got into foul trouble again.

[BWillie]

No wat in hell would I take Embiid #1. For one, big men arent as valuable in the NBA anymore. He also hasnt shown hes an elite defender. Hes still an NBA project. I would never, I mean never, draft a guy at #1 that is a project. #5? Sure no problem. I would have a difficult time not selecting Parker at #1

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

More teams like Villanova are going to try to make games more about physicality against KU and less about skill/talent because it's the only way they can win. We have to be ready for that kind of fight from teams.


Yeah, Embiid is one of the best rebounders in the country. When he wasn't in, they were getting destroyed in the boards. If he didn't get into foul trouble, the game's outcome might have been completely different. He's going to have to learn how to get through games without fouling (although I found a few of his fouls awfully questionable by the standard of what they were allowing most of the game).

Wright has always given ku fits. It's not because they are better than ku. But they just happen to have a system that ku struggles with. One thing that enfuriates me about self is his half court offense. Self seems to struggle with energetic guards who can pressure the guards up top. Because the offense is pretty unimagitative about guards getting the ball to players in the post. It seems like you just need slashers at guard who can really maneuver into the lane.

The system works most of the time. But I'd just like to see self adjust when he plays a d like nova. It seems like the same types of teams can beat ku.

And they need a guy who can shoot. Their outside shooting is horrendous right now.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Wright has always given ku fits. It's not because they are better than ku. But they just happen to have a system that ku struggles with.

KU hadn't played Villanova in 5.5 years before last night (and only once in the last 8). And the last time they did was when they beat them easily during their national title run. Not exactly sure there's a meaningful trend to be found there.

One thing that enfuriates me about self is his half court offense. Self seems to struggle with energetic guards who can pressure the guards up top. Because the offense is pretty unimagitative about guards getting the ball to players in the post. It seems like you just need slashers at guard who can really maneuver into the lane.

Depends entirely on the kind of team Self has. If they have a team with a bunch of good ball handlers (see 2008), beating a team that plays pressure defense won't be a problem. This current team doesn't have that right now.

It seems like the same types of teams can beat ku.

Those types of teams can beat anybody. They just beat KU far less than they beat everyone else.

And they need a guy who can shoot. Their outside shooting is horrendous right now.

It's a weakness. Unfortunately, it may continue to be one. Frankamp looks nowhere near ready to play at this level yet and Greene can't play any defense at all.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by BWillie

No wat in hell would I take Embiid #1. For one, big men arent as valuable in the NBA anymore. He also hasnt shown hes an elite defender. Hes still an NBA project. I would never, I mean never, draft a guy at #1 that is a project. #5? Sure no problem. I would have a difficult time not selecting Parker at #1

He's not just any generic big man prospect/project, though. Guys with his size and skill set aren't exactly present in the NBA. The tools are also there to be an elite shutdown defender and that's what matters to NBA scouts.

I like Jabari, but his ceiling isn't as high as a few of the others. His game is also remarkably similar to Michael Beasley (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, I suppose, if he actually gives the effort that Beasley never did at the next level).

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

He's not just any generic big man prospect/project, though. Guys with his size and skill set aren't exactly present in the NBA. The tools are also there to be an elite shutdown defender and that's what matters to NBA scouts.

I like Jabari, but his ceiling isn't as high as a few of the others. His game is also remarkably similar to Michael Beasley (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, I suppose, if he actually gives the effort that Beasley never did at the next level).

His attitude is infinitely better than Beasleys. I'd imagine hell be OK at the next level.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

KU hadn't played Villanova in 5.5 years before last night (and only once in the last 8). And the last time they did was when they beat them easily during their national title run. Not exactly sure there's a meaningful trend to be found there.


Depends entirely on the kind of team Self has. If they have a team with a bunch of good ball handlers (see 2008), beating a team that plays pressure defense won't be a problem. This current team doesn't have that right now.


Those types of teams can beat anybody. They just beat KU far less than they beat everyone else.


It's a weakness. Unfortunately, it may continue to be one. Frankamp looks nowhere near ready to play at this level yet and Greene can't play any defense at all.

The problem I have with selfs high low offense is its really unimaginative about getting the ball into the post. When teams harass the three guys at the top, they have to work way too hard to get the ball to the guy in the post. In most cases, your guard has to really maneuver to get into the lane and open a passing window. Whenever they lose in the tourney that seems to be a common theme. Guards harassed up high and struggle to get entry passes into the post. Not all teams can do it, but some can.

I wish when that happens self could make adjustments. Try something more creative than basic motion up top. Move your guys around in the post. Etc...