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Season 4 premiered tonight. I would have bumped the season three thread but I titled it "season 3," which no longer seems appropriate.

Who saw it? It was a stupendous hour of television. All sorts of shit has happened in the eleven months that have passed (in-story) between the formation of Sterling Cooper Draper Price and the beginning of season 4. The premeir was stepped in the juices of the sexual revolution. It also had a lot to say about the increasing role of the media in the success or failure of things. It was great to see Don fail a little bit, and it was exciting to consider the future implications at the end of Don crafting a public/media persona that is completely unlike his actual personality.
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Old 05-19-2015, 10:08 PM   #1036
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I'm happy with the series finale. Maybe the bar is so low from so many disappointing finales?

Expected no closure for Don. He has always been adrift.

Peggy deserves happiness if they are going to give it to Pete.

Roger is where he should be.


everyone thinks its Don that does the Coca-Cola ad? I thought it was maybe Peggy? Not really important though.
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Old 05-19-2015, 10:34 PM   #1037
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everyone thinks its Don that does the Coca-Cola ad? I thought it was maybe Peggy? Not really important though.
I absolutely thought that Don wrote the Coca-Cola ad. He smiled at the same time as the "ding", which has always signified an idea in cinema and even animation.

While Don didn't really change his philandering ways during the 60's, he did change as a person, experiencing the highs and lows of sex, drugs, racial tension and high society of that era. In 1971, he changes again, this time to a California "hippie", complete with yoga and spiritual retreats, while embracing his inner Don/Dick.

It would be fun to see Don Draper in the excess of the 80's "me" generation and his reaction to it.
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Old 05-19-2015, 10:34 PM   #1038
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I'm happy with the series finale. Maybe the bar is so low from so many disappointing finales?

Expected no closure for Don. He has always been adrift.

Peggy deserves happiness if they are going to give it to Pete.

Roger is where he should be.


everyone thinks its Don that does the Coca-Cola ad? I thought it was maybe Peggy? Not really important though.
There were certain clues implying it was don's idea. The problems I had with the finale is "wait, who's this blond chick again, and what's her problem", and Peggy's completely out of character fit of romanticism. I can buy the guy falling in love with her, but the Peggy I know would have said "oh! My lunch is here" and hung up the phone.

At any rate, I've been rewatching the whole series again, and there was so much forethought put into this show. Weiner obviously had this thing written from beginning to end. It's kind of fun to notice things that didn't seem to serve any purpose at the time, but foreshadowed much later events. One of the best tv shows ever, really.
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Old 05-19-2015, 10:38 PM   #1039
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There were certain clues implying it was don's idea. The problems I had with the finale is "wait, who's this blond chick again, and what's her problem", and Peggy's completely out of character fit of romanticism. I can buy the guy falling in love with her, but the Peggy I know would have said "oh! My lunch is here" and hung up the phone.

At any rate, I've been rewatching the whole series again, and there was so much forethought put into this show. Weiner obviously had this thing written from beginning to end. It's kind of fun to notice things that didn't seem to serve any purpose at the time, but foreshadowed much later events. One of the best tv shows ever, really.
What killed me was that Coca-Cola was so prominently featured throughout the final season (and mentioned throughout the series), yet I couldn't put "Two and Two" together until the final scene, to which I said to myself "Of course!".

I truly believe that Weiner had the beginning and ending for Don's character mapped before shooting ever began. And as you mentioned, it's certainly of the best television series, ever, and for me, the finale was very satisfying.
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Old 05-19-2015, 10:38 PM   #1040
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I'm happy with the series finale. Maybe the bar is so low from so many disappointing finales?

Expected no closure for Don. He has always been adrift.

Peggy deserves happiness if they are going to give it to Pete.

Roger is where he should be.


everyone thinks its Don that does the Coca-Cola ad? I thought it was maybe Peggy? Not really important though.
I really don't understand how you saw Peggy being responsible for that ad. I can't think of a single filmic way that the episode pointed to that.

For that matter, I think the show gave us plenty of closure on Don. He is who he is. He makes the same mistakes and follows the same patterns, over and over and over. All throughout the show he's been a man who needs to wander off and lose himself in order to move forward. He's a man who can have a legitimate emotional revelation at the hippie new-age camp AND use that as inspiration for an ad campaign.

It's a cynical ending, not an ambiguous one. The closure comes in Don's seeming acceptance, finally, of who he is (no matter the name used). Though that acceptance, like any of Don's big life choices, will probably be short lived. But he'll always land on his feet. And he'll always find in his experiences a way to sell something. It's who he is.
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Old 05-19-2015, 10:59 PM   #1041
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It's a cynical ending, not an ambiguous one. The closure comes in Don's seeming acceptance, finally, of who he is (no matter the name used). Though that acceptance, like any of Don's big life choices, will probably be short lived. But he'll always land on his feet. And he'll always find in his experiences a way to sell something. It's who he is.
Jon Hamm Talks About the ‘Mad Men’ Series Finale
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/20...nterview/?_r=0
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Old 05-19-2015, 11:01 PM   #1042
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I truly believe that Weiner had the beginning and ending for Don's character mapped before shooting ever began. And as you mentioned, it's certainly of the best television series, ever, and for me, the finale was very satisfying.
It's foreshadowed right in the pilot episode. I think Weiner even admitted that. Or someone from the show.
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Old 05-20-2015, 09:00 AM   #1043
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I am always fascinated with the times in which I never experience.
The 60's and 70's are an enigma to me. I feel mad men has helped me to wrap my brain around a tiny portion of that era.

Here is an article from NYT 1967 about the kind of place Don Went to:

http://timesmachine.nytimes.com/time...pageNumber=119
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Very cool link, Slag. I enjoyed going through the entire document.
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Old 05-20-2015, 10:12 PM   #1045
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Old 05-21-2015, 07:55 AM   #1046
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Very cool link, Slag. I enjoyed going through the entire document.
In this clip about fashion in the last episode they confirm that the place in the article is the exact place Don was suppose to be at / they re-created

https://www.facebook.com/MadMen/posts/10155623473735327
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In this clip about fashion in the last episode they confirm that the place in the article is the exact place Don was suppose to be at / they re-created

https://www.facebook.com/MadMen/posts/10155623473735327
Yeah, I saw that clip the other night. When I watched the last episode, it reminded of Esalen and it turned out to be when I saw that fashion clip. It's still around. I know someone who went there once.

http://www.esalen.org/
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Have been re-watching the entire series on Netflix recently. I loved the show the first time through. Now, it's even better. The foreshadowing is incredible throughout. Weiner doesn't waste a scene.
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