Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 272

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Chiefspants · 05-14-2013, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Let's ask the following: when will it be acceptable to release Frenchy? Because essentially that's the question. If Moose is allowed to work through his hideous start why isn't Frenchy? I mean that guy makes $7M. If it's early for Moose it's early for Frenchy. You can't play it both ways here.

Will we improve without Moose? Hard to say. He's not producing any value right now above replacement anyway. The Indians decided Chisenhall wasn't producing either, but they don't have a GM who falls in love with players on a personal level and gets blinded by loyalty.

Ouch, the comparison is striking.

.200/.277/.348

.226/.322/.356

**gblowfish** · 05-14-2013, 08:47 AM

Frenchy has a big loop in his swing. He's a hacker, and an easy strike out. He is streaky, but doesn't hit more than hits. He does have a great throwing arm, but is not particularly speedy.

Dyson is the fastest guy on the team. He's been hitting lately, but will never have the kind of pop an everyday outfielder should have. He's an excellent fourth OF guy, great late inning baserunner. His defense is very spotty. He takes bad angles on balls, like he did in last night's game. His arm is average to below.

Dyson should be playing instead of Frenchy right now. Best thing to do with Frenchy is DFA him and eat his salary. Long term fix is needed. Same with second base.

ChiefsCountry · 05-14-2013, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

(I take it you are all smart enough to know where I'm going with this one)

That you are a ****ing idiot.
Posted via Mobile Device

duncan_idaho · 05-14-2013, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Ouch, the comparison is striking.

.200/.277/.348

.226/.322/.356

Moustakas had a really nice two week stretch starting with the Cleveland series. He is 0-13 in his last three games, which has depressed his May numbers, but he still has a .725 OPS for the month of May because he has hit the ball with authority.

In the 2 weeks prior, he hit .378, slugged .757, and hit 4 HR. He also drew 6 BBs in that stretch, giving him a .465 OBP.

He struggled in the first three weeks of the season. The team identified some problems and asked him to change some things. He did and then immediately went on a tear over the last few days of April/first 10 days of May.

If this three game stretch becomes a protracted slump and he struggles throughout May, then it makes some sense to demote him, especially if it's a confidence issue. Demoting guys in April after a slow start to the season (especially after a red-hot spring training season) makes no sense.

Chiefspants · 05-14-2013, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Moustakas had a really nice two week stretch starting with the Cleveland series. He is 0-13 in his last three games, which has depressed his May numbers, but he still has a .725 OPS for the month of May because he has hit the ball with authority.

In the 2 weeks prior, he hit .378, slugged .757, and hit 4 HR. He also drew 6 BBs in that stretch, giving him a .465 OBP.

He struggled in the first three weeks of the season. The team identified some problems and asked him to change some things. He did and then immediately went on a tear.

If this three game stretch becomes a protracted slump and he struggles throughout May, then it makes some sense to demote him, especially if it's a confidence issue. Demoting guys in April after a slow start to the season (especially after a red-hot spring training season) makes no sense.

Whoooops, I just realized I accidentally posted Alex Gordon's statistics at the end of May 2012 below Moustakas' current numbers. I really think Prison is on to something, guys, imagine how much better Alex's overall season could of been had he been sent to Omaha.

Prison Bitch · 05-14-2013, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

That you are a ****ing idiot.
Posted via Mobile Device

I know you love Moose. You're one of the geeks out there chanting MOOOOOOOSE! when he fields a grounder and thows (high) to get the guy out. Or when he slaps a single to right. MOOOOOOSE!

But he's not any good, and that's the point.

duncan_idaho · 05-14-2013, 09:20 AM

Mike Montgomery finally pitched again last night.

4 IP, 6K, 1 BB.

Have the Rays fixed him? Stay tuned...

Prison Bitch · 05-14-2013, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Whoooops, I just realized I accidentally posted Alex Gordon's statistics at the end of May 2012 below Moustakas' current numbers. I really think Prison is on to something, guys, imagine how much better Alex's overall season could of been had he been sent to Omaha.

Alex was sent down to Omaha at one point, you dope. So was Zack, so was Billy, so was George, so was.....(I can keep going until you get the point)

Chiefspants · 05-14-2013, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I know you love Moose. You're one of the geeks out there chanting MOOOOOOOSE! when he fields a grounder and thows (high) to get the guy out. Or when he slaps a single to right. MOOOOOOSE!

But he's not any good, and that's the point.

You were one of those people pining to trade Billy Butler in 2007-11, weren't you?

**Dartgod** · 05-14-2013, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I know you love Moose. You're one of the geeks out there chanting MOOOOOOOSE! when he fields a grounder and thows (high) to get the guy out. Or when he slaps a single to right. MOOOOOOSE!

But he's not any good, and that's the point.

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Prison Bitch · 05-14-2013, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

You were one of those people pining to trade Billy Butler in 2007-11, weren't you?

You were one of those angry at Ross Gload being signed, but don't mind Hosmer putting up identical stats aren't you?

Infidel Goat · 05-14-2013, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Meet Billy Butler, the $8million zero-WAR player:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ter=&players=0

Will Nostra Prison Bitch talk shit about Butler today?

Chiefspants · 05-14-2013, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Alex was sent down to Omaha at one point, you dope. So was Zack, so was Billy, so was George, so was.....(I can keep going until you get the point)

Yeah sure, but he was sent down in May 2010 for a positional switch and for some reason was given until June last year before any decisions were made.

Zack Greinke was NOT sent down because of performance, you dipstick.

Look, if Moose (and Hos) are putting up these numbers in June, by all means, send them down, but any major decisions now would be misguided and (over)reactionary.

KevB · 05-14-2013, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Let's ask the following: when will it be acceptable to release Frenchy? Because essentially that's the question. If Moose is allowed to work through his hideous start why isn't Frenchy? I mean that guy makes $7M. If it's early for Moose it's early for Frenchy. You can't play it both ways here.

Frenchy : 29 years and 4,476 ABs
Moose : 24 years old and 1,016 ABs

Archie F. Swin · 05-14-2013, 10:07 AM

In Guth We Trust

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1840308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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